How embarrassing it must be to lose to this guy. Democracy is dead not because Trump policy but because we dont have any functional parties.
Don't be fooled. Trump won because over 70 million Americans would rather have him than a woman.
I'm hearing trump didn't add any supporters. This whole thing was a failure in turnout. I won't say America isn't deeply sexist because I'm not stupid. I will say that voting just to have a women be president, no, that was not enough and it wasn't enough in 2016 either.
Sure, and this is why Trump won. The backlash vote against this ignorant rhetoric.
Trump doesn't win without 70+ million Americans voting for him.
"Parties? Were we're going, we don't need parties."
I fully believe there will never again be another legitimate election in the US. Except, I want to be devil advocate and say Trump can't pull it off. I know that's not true so I have to kinda decide if I want to larp it.
Trump can pull it off, but Trump can also shit himself and fail. Either possibility is there. Either way, though, we're looking at four years of right-wing policy and, like last time, in case any of the dumb fucks who think "Swing to the right = Later swing to the left", a resurgence in conservative views that four years of non-fascists isn't enough to completely reverse.
I'm just kind of assuming he's in mid- to late-stage Alzheimer's and hopefully won't last the year, probably getting "Amendment 25, sectional 5'd" by Vance at the earliest opportunity, and I don't think Vance has enough political will behind him to be a dictator. At least that's my hope, flimsy as it might be.
Elections going forward will be for show, like elections in Russia. But Trump has said "we won't need to vote again" so maybe he'll just make himself president for like President Xi. This is extreme, but since the Rs will control every branch, could they ban the Democrat party, or it to break up, anything like that?
The fact that Trump was chosen for a president, might be a nice clue that Americans live in a idiocracy now.
It's really just a great unmasking. This is the america I grew up in. Now it just goes uncensored.
I live in a deep red state where my vote effectively does not count. Yesterday morning, I woke to an absurd amount of hip/back pain and could barely stand up. Yet I still drug my ass to the polls and stood in line for my turn to vote.
Whatever happens, I blame the fickle morons who stayed home. The parties, platforms, politics, etc. are what they are, if you can't be bothered to at least vote for the lesser of two evils, then you deserve everything you get.
Agreed. In the 2016 election I checked myself out of the hospital against my doctor's advice, donned a mask, and coughed my way through the voting line with pneumonia. There's no excuse, especially with how easy it is to absentee vote nowadays.
No, I will not reside myself to think democrats did everything they could have. The only thing the democrats have done in my lifetime is lead people straight into shark infested waters. I'm not saying I won't ever vote for them again but I don't see them ever winning anything of substance if they can't beat trump.
This analysis on Tildes was spot on: https://tildes.net/~health.mental/1jwf/american_election_mental_health_thread#comment-e0uw
Perhaps if we had embraced the working class whites 20 years ago, things would be different today. Perhaps we could have working and lower class folks of all backgrounds voting for abortion rights, women's rights, labor rights, and gay rights. Maybe they would be our most loyal allies. But instead, we abandoned them and let the wolves pretend to be their friends.
A key takeaway for me is that when people of color and those in inner cities turn to violence, crime, and drugs, we blame the oppressive system for their failings. When people in rural America do the same, we blame them. Just because someone is white doesn’t mean they don’t need sympathy and compassion. We’ve lost the thread of love and acceptance in this country.
And it seems the ability to math. All this blame (it was always going to come to this blame game) being pointed at this or that demographic seems to miss the point that the popular vote was won by trump, that does not happen if the majority of voters did not vote for him. It seems crazy that people can blame the white men in the country voting counter to woman's overall rights, but not blame woman who voted the same way.
That was helpful, thanks.
I'm not American. I live in Europe.
But I'll give an insight. Socdem party lost support for most people because they systemically failed to address the issues of the working class.
People can have empathy for other people's problems. But when no one cares about your problems a ñnd election after election they ask you to vote them because empathy to others, and never for your own good, because they never do anything for you. And your life keeps getting worse and worse, and still they refuse to address your problems, and keep wanting your vote just for "stopping fascism" or "being solidary"... You can do that for one election, maybe two... But at some point you just phase out, you just cannot care anymore. If they don't do anything for you, and you need something being done, you just don't vote.
And seeing the low democratic turnout in the US, I think it may be the answer. Maybe people that didn't show up yesterday is people that needed their problem solved the last 4 years and they just got ignored by the Democratic party. So they just didn't vote the Democratic party out of spite.
I will actually probably won't vote in my country next election. Fully knowing that the conservative and fascist parties will win and form a coalition government.
But SocDem and Communists have been ruling 8 years and they failed to address my issues. I cannot, in good conscience, keep giving them my vote knowing what they are doing with it. I just have my dignity. I will stand against the altRight on my own terms when they'll raise to power if necessary, but I'll refuse to give my vote to anyone who didn't deserve it.
I dont understand that sentiment... i mean yes, i agree the parties should absolutely do more and listen to their voters... but the fact of the matter you have to play the game because the alternative is worst. You think noone listens to you now? What makes you think letting the opposition win will do for you? It will only make your life worse.
Do you think the governments in 1930's europe appeared out of thin air? No, they were elected until they held enoigh power to consume total power. Literally tens of millions of people suffered all over the world because people became complacent.
Dont ever give up hope vote for the lesser evil and push for more grass roots movements so the lesser evil will become the even lesser. If you dont, you may never have that freedom again.
heres a game, i have a hot iron, you will press your hand to it and i will role a dice, the first role is with a d6 if it lands on 1 i will give you £30, the second time i will role a d12 if again it lands on 1 i will give you £30, this dice becomes progressively bigger and your odds smaller the longer this game runs. will you continue to play the game?
The point is, they don't need your vote. Your sword is a threat to no one while sheathed.
Socdem party? When have we ever had one?
Pretty spot on from my perspective. I did vote but it was more because there we're two proposals on the ballot that I did care about. If not for those I would have probably skipped voting. I'm just exhausted at this point because my life has continued to worsen as long as I've been an adult and everyone's fixated on LGBT and other shit that doesn't even affect me or most of the other people that feel the need to have an opinion on it. We can just let people live their lives... What about housing, healthcare, wages, and all the other basic quality of life shit that helps everyone?
On top of that my vote for president didn't matter anyway because the district I'm in would always go red and for most of the local positions there aren't even democrat or even 3rd party options.
Correct. Democrats - especially the more SJW ones - keep advocating for the end of the Gaza genocide (which is a legitimate point) but won't offer any hope for own citizens who can't make ends meet due to inflation. Then the only choice is to vote to the other guy who promises those things. It is not that the other guy can improve this but at least he acknowledged that it was a problem that bothers voters.
I wonder what he thinks by ending the Gaza genocide. I have a feeling it'll mean an accelerated one.
Trump is a talented, comforting story teller to the dull cow-eyed masses. Harris, not understanding human nature, thought that fighting fantasy, comfort, and escapism with facts and warnings was a winning strategy.
I saw the writing on the wall when comparing Trump's actual speech performance at his rallies against his critics' delusions of dementia and mental unfitness.
You know what I love watching more then anything. Watching a bully get shat on. If dems could harness this power and step down from the high horse you might see things start to change. Except it will take some self actualization from institutional politicians. Don't worry though, it's coming. They will get the boot and their high mindedness will evaporate.
Is it ok to criticise the Dems again?
Considering they are now completely irrelevant and about to be wiped from government all together, sure.
The illusion of freedom of choice is a powerful tool.
We've been on the idiocracy set for decades
Its dead because people voted for this guy and his anti democratic policies.
achktualy less peoples voted for him this time
https://xcancel.com/babadookspinoza/status/1854177875093557471
thats great but enough people voted for him. I saw a figure with over 50% and I believe in 2020 he lost the popular vote. He would not have won if people and an aweful lot of them, had not voted for him.
Fuck America, I'm done. We're getting what we want. Democracy, liberty, and personal freedom; no thanks
At least he won the popular vote, so it's well and truly want the majority (who cared to vote) wanted this time. It would be much more frustrating if he lost the popular vote like in 2016, where the minority in votes had control of house, senate and executive branches. This time it's what people wanted, and people somehow voted for fascism instead of the status quo.
I know Antifa really wasn't an established group like the proud boys, but I'm joining antifa. I'm radicalized, I'm afraid.
Muscle memory in action.
How about because of the political system that doesnt make rulers accountable to their base and give little incentive to appeal to anyone but the well of? Just make yourself slightly more appealing than the opposition
Keep blaming the politicians but everyone who didn't vote helped Trump and everything he will cause. Blame the Democrats all you like but it'll be you guys who suffer. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils y'all just stood aside out of spite and let the fascist through. Disgraceful.
Ha! I voted dummy. My vote did count too because I supported an ammendment that will help protect woman's rights. Unfortunately I live in a state that doesn't get over represented in a presidential election so even if you were right you would be silly to excuse me of anything.
Everyone screaming about democracy just died. In fact it was always dead. Electoral college system basically disregards voter who does not vote for winning party. It’s a system where you have only two choices, thus less competition, thus lower quality of candidates. Then everyone is like “is this best US can do?”. Let alone gerrymandering. People should be rioting, not because Trump won, but because system is not democratic.
I didn't create this democracy nor do I endorsed it. I just think as we venture down this road of right wing authoritarianism people like yourself may grow to have an appreciation for what it did offer.
Democracy is dead because America would rather elect a male that jerks off a microphone than a woman.
Already heard “unlikable” again last night. Right. Fool us once.
It's this. America cannot fathom that a well qualified Black woman could be better than the most basic of white men.
Could you imagine if SHE had sucked off a mic? People already didn't vote for her because they thought she slept her way to get where she is.
The most basic?
The most degenerate of white men, more like
The party should have recognized this insurmountable weakness, if it even was one, and did what it needed to to win. Whatever you suss out is the lesson from this election is, I just think it's pitiful they can't beat the orange turd that just won't flush.
Thing is, I'm sure if the only thing different was Walz on top of the ticket and Kamela on the bottom, and the campaign was ran the EXACT same way. Trump would have been defeated in a landslide.