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I'm a person that most people would consider a prepper. What am I prepping for? Unemployment. Being able to survive with as few possible inputs as possible.
I'm a hard core skeptical nerd that doesn't believe a single conspiracy theory. I'm like an anti doomsday prepper. Making life easier even if things don't go bad.
I think when most people think of a prepper, they think of someone preparing for everything to collapse. Badly. So I wouldn't consider you a prepper.
I have chickens, ducks and geese, raised beds, just built a solar battery charger, can my own food, dehydrate food, cook everything from scratch, etc etc. I go through all the same steps. My friends refer to me as a prepper despite me saying I'm a homesteader. They keep saying they are going to show up at my place if everything collapses. I started shutting this down by saying they need to be pre-approved, pay a $150 non-refundable deposit and $50 a month so that I can make sure I have food and other essentials for when they show up. Because it's really annoying to hear someone say "I'm totally not doing anything about my fears so I'm going to impose on you when the time comes."
I'm just trying to reduce the amount it takes for me to survive. It happens that if you are ready to be unemployed for a few months that a lot of the same prepa come in handy for a collapse of the economy. The same things needed to hunt squirrels are helpful against zombies.
I've done the same thing. Was already living off grid when I was surprise unemployed last year. Made it about 3 months with no outside input, but eventually got sick from previous medical issues, so had to file for unemployment so I could have enough money to see a doctor.
A year later I'm now back in regular society with a regular job, trying to save up and start over.
I've learned that I can be prepared physically to go months on my own. But mentally is a different game altogether. Most of the prepper types would likely struggle without a support group. Being by yourself for long periods of time is FAR harder than most people think (myself included). The first few weeks are pretty easy, but it gets significantly harder every day.
One of the more popular arguments from preppers during covid was that these hyper-independent minded people were suddenly demanding the ability to go out to stores and meet up with people in large groups.
After years of "I don't need nobody" they went hard core "people need interaction!". It was a beautiful thing that not one of them will admit.
That sounds like farming to me.
There is fine line between farming with guns and prepping.
I'd say that 'fine line' is 'doomsday bunker + Immortan Joe fantasy post "the big one."' vs. just having a farm and guns.
So not all that fine a line.
I agree that the motivation portion is entirely different. But the actions are the same.
I don't know that the actions are the same though. That's sort of the point of the thing I posted. People like you are actually doing shit. What most people think of as 'preppers' are people who have a closet full of MREs, two giant jugs of water, and a massive guns and ammunition collection, people who tell you about how the world will end if Trump isn't elected and they're ready for it.
I think if those people were like you, even if they had stupid motivations, there wouldn't be so much derision. But they don't actually put the work in. They essentially think if they buy enough ammo and Jim Bakker rapture survival food buckets, they're ready for every eventuality.
I've been doing this since before the orange blight. The people haven't changed. They are just more obviously hypocrites. They went from "keep government out of my life, I want personal freedom" to "only through government can we maintain control over anyone that makes us feel icky."
The rest of this is splitting hairs.
Homesteading is really cottage-core plus self-sufficency. Little House on the Prairie.
Gardening on crack. Not commercial farming.
Honestly...I got 9 hens now, and they are amazing. Literally the best pets. My wife wants to become a homesteader and live that life. Get some acreage, build a nice home and a nice area for the birds. Maybe Get a goat or two. Step up the gardening game.
The wife would probably have to quit her job, but she's only working part time at a grocery store. Her employee discount (20%) is more valuable to us then her paycheck, and we don't need that if we mostly living off our own grown food.
Would likely have to wait until the kids are a bit older and can help out more, too.
And for interest rates to go down...I refi'd in early 2022, I ain't given that up.
But it would be nice to be able to sell off a portion of land of we find ourselves hard off for cash. Or to know that my kids will have a place to build a home if the market falls flat on its face.
How much acreage does it take to feed a person? How does it scale?
Well, according to Gray Man theory, this is actually good that you don't recognize. But no...that man you're talking to is very clearly a prepper.
The best way I can tell you is prepping... is a rainbow. A varied spectrum of people, with many different beliefs & motivations. Actually, I guess we can compare it to the current Democrat Party! The crazy ones get all the attention, they make the news and everybody points at them and says, wow, that's crazy. That's too far. I can't get behind that. It's the same with preppers. You have preppers that prepare for "zombies". Or, as you said, when everything collapses badly. There are many more preppers that are just sensibly preparing for very real scenarios. Stockpile a little today for a better tomorrow. A simpler, stronger life.
The real preppers, the best preppers, don't just hoard; they incorporate their preps into daily living. It is a lifestyle. You have tools for working the land, tools to move stuff around, you build out the life you think you'll want & need. Not just stored in a bunker, but to use next week. The zombie shit is really dumb, most of the products are cheap & low quality gimmicks. Probably because they know you're a sucker, anyway. As Canadian Prepper says... eventually...all preppers become farmers.
I prep, in part, for short to longer term no-power scenarios. Those assholes up in Chicago threatened to cut off power to downstate...2-3 years ago?...and I never forgot that. I said, okay. Guess this is something I need to think about now. ¯\(°_o)/¯ Prepping is much like a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply). System fucks up, no power? Well I'm going to be okay for a while, anyway. This isn't the exact article I read, but here's a source, anyway. People don't understand how dangerously fragile, old our power grid is. It is susceptible to attack by foreign entities, or simply overload during peak usage.
Calling preppers selfish, idk where in the ever-loving fuck these guys get off...if I don't require assistance in an emergency, that's more assistance that can be sent to other people in need. I'm actively preparing, spending my own time, money, and efforts to help myself and others. In Israel, everyone is required to have a safe room & 2 weeks of food, water in it. They have inspections! And don't even get me started on Switzerland.
Like I said, the person I am talking to is not what people think of when they think of 'prepper.' Maybe it's not fair that the word means something different than it should to most people, but that's just how language works. 'Woke' no longer means being aware of inherent racial injustices. 'Liberal' no longer has anything to do with classical liberalism.
Your grandparents, and great-grandparents, were probably preppers. The ability to not be forced to prepare for hard(er) times is the real luxury.
Did you read any of what I just wrote?
Your tone 🙄🙄🙄
Yes. I read it all. I particularly read this section here:
I don't know that the actions are the same though. That's sort of the point of the thing I posted. People like you are actually doing shit. What most people think of as 'preppers' are people who have a closet full of MREs, two giant jugs of water, and a massive guns and ammunition collection, people who tell you about how the world will end if Trump isn't elected and they're ready for it.
I think if those people were like you, even if they had stupid motivations, there wouldn't be so much derision. But they don't actually put the work in. They essentially think if they buy enough ammo and Jim Bakker rapture survival food buckets, they're ready for every eventuality.
Perhaps you are correct that the popular definition has changed, much like the Greeks (hilariously) changed the definition of egregious through their use of sarcasm. But your understanding is just plain wrong, you are incorrect. Your downvotes mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
I see no need to rebrand to conform to ignorance & lack of understanding. If you would like to learn more about prepping, here are some channels you can look into. I'd also recommend looking at the Facebook group, The Phantom Planters. It's prepping, kinda, but in a farming/growing way, whatever you want to call it. Perhaps you'll be inspired to plant some fruit trees around Indiana. 🙂
...and yes, the timing is embarrassing on my end because Canadian Prepper just announced last night that he is building a bunker. But he presents lots of good information otherwise. You'll probably like City Prepping more.
None of that is in the comment you replied to.
This is the comment you replied to:
Like I said, the person I am talking to is not what people think of when they think of ‘prepper.’ Maybe it’s not fair that the word means something different than it should to most people, but that’s just how language works. ‘Woke’ no longer means being aware of inherent racial injustices. ‘Liberal’ no longer has anything to do with classical liberalism.
You're kind of proving my point. You're trying really hard to defend a word that no longer means to people what you want it to mean. The language has moved on.