Ideology gap increase between young men and women in various countries.
Ideology gap increase between young men and women in various countries.
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I sometimes think they turn conservative because women won't date them.
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I'm pretty sure women don't want to date people who have any sort of disposition that leans towards hating them or believing that women are lesser than men.
Unfortunately, a lot of men learned that way of thinking early in life(from family and/or media) and it ruins any attempt at a relationship, then they blame women and run to the very people who set them up to fail for validation, or find new ones like that sex trafficker with the pizza boxes, or that canadian psychologist who sugar coats sexism online. Repeat ad nauseum.
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In the age of social media I imagine people are actually a lot more antisocial than we used to be…. And if young men and young women are all online more now and actually go out to interact in person less than we used to, this would make it a lot more difficult for young men to interact with the young women long enough to ask them out….
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A few folks have mentioned that these charts
- conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
- does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
- have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them
A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as "not a Democrat or Republican", and that's causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.
https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women
https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/
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Exactly. I would be almost as upset with being classified as a liberal or a Democrat as I would be a conservative.
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At the same time I know many people (my brother included) that claim to be "independent" because they think that the trump camp is somehow outside the conservative camp, and therefore respond "independent" on polls. Because they think "I'm not democrat or conservative, I just want to drain the swamp" and then support trump, who is literally a swamp.
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On the flip side, in Europe extreme right parties are mostly being propped up by young men, while in other age groups men and women vote relatively similarly, which supports this finding.
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conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
Why do so many people on Lemmy insist on pretending that liberal/conservative aren't relative terms?
Every single time those words get used with their little l/c to mean "relatively liberal/conservative) I see multiple people go "well ackshully a Liberal is a right wing ideology!"
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The actual opposite of conservative in this case would be progressive. Liberal isn't a relative term, progressive is. It's easy enough to tell from context but when there's already no info on how these graphs came to be it just adds to them being questionable.
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And no way the UK is left leaning like that.
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Those ‘unaffiliated’s are just embarrassed republicans. Just like most of the centrists you’ll run across.
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In the UK, where there actually is a centralist party, most of the "centralists" don't actually vote for them. Which really tells you everything you need to know about centralism. It's not a political ideology, it's just a refusal to engage.
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Oh hell nah, I’m independent and I am definitely an embarassed left leaning voter
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Edit: read Jane Jacobs system of survival
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Why?
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The opposite to conservative is progressive, not liberal
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Especially in Europe where liberal is more typically used for economically liberal.
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Which tend to be conservative socially.
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Yes. Liberal is the opposite of "moralist" and sometimes "oppressive".
The US use of the word "liberal" is a bit shifted in the direction of "libertine" (same as libertarian, but strongly focused on personal freedoms of substance abuse and sexual promiscuity at the expense of economical\political freedoms to own catgirl slaves and shoot up crowds).
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When I think of all the women & girls in my life that I care about, I remember that I could never be a conservative. It would be a betrayal.
Assuming this is accurate, I'm pleased to see men in the UK bucking the trend.
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People like you are why we cannot discuss political ideas without being put into a bucket and given some horrific label. Being conservative doesnt make u sexist some conservative views are sexist same as some progressive view are sexist. Stop spouting hate like politics is a football team and practice critical thinking where you can take ideas from all perspectives.
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This is out of date.
People are losing faith rapidly in the left because they don't seem to be for the everyday working class Briton like they used to be.
There is a big shift going to Reform now largely because they want to reduce immigration. The left deny the situation and the right have claimed they will reduce it every year then increase.
People are flooding to the "far right"* because they don't seen the main parties address the main issue they want addressing and have been talking about for decades at this point, generations even.
_* not actually far right. But the left love throwing that term around to anyone that has a different opinion to them. They just want lower immigration, which historically has been a left leaning ideology
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Look I don't know how to tell you this but just because you live in a bubble doesn't mean everybody else does.
That is not "a big shift in the UK towards reform", don't be daft. They only have 4 MPs only two of which ever bothered turning up, they are about as politically relevant as my underwear.
Also Reform absolutely are far right they are basically Nazis, albeit brainless lazy incompetent ones. You need to go outside and interact with normal members of the human race rather than whoever it is you're talking to on the "I'm not racist but..." Facebook group
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As women gain independence, frightened men turn to patriarchal solutions. Hence a turd like JD Vance spouting hateful and controlling rhetoric on podcasts and Ahole Tate brainwashing adolescent boys. Fuck these people.
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The study about low skill gamers being the most likely to be sexist over voice chat will forever be on my mind.
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Young men and young women haven’t been around long enough to have seen anything change like your suggesting. If that were the case it would be older women and men who are changing
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🌳 Die? No. We lost them, and now we cannot find them.
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Now I hear Treebeard whining about modern females and how none of them want to be Entwives for alpha Ents
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If you read the books, you'll find that you're not far off.
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Poor Treebeard...
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Difficult to assess this info without knowing how the data was created.
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Also hard to believe the American average is +20 leaning lib. The country is represented by a fascist party and a centrist party, and anything more left than the centrist party is considered "far left".
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The graph is about young people, not the entire population. Young people in America are historically more progressive than older people.
Also why does liberal and conservative have to be on an absolute scale? The words liberal and conservative seem to me at least be about pushing politics in one direction or another. Because policy is always subject to change, shouldn't the words liberal and conservative be relative to the political system they exist within?
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The Y axis here is not an absolute international political compass. It measures which political party each person favors, and judging by that country's local standards categorizes that party as either left or right.
A rising number in the US chart means a larger number of people prefer democrats over republicans. It doesn't mean that people's stances are necessarily moving further left. Similarly, it's no coincidence that the inflection point where UK numbers rise by a lot correspond to Brexit: the party seen as responsible for the unpopular change lost a lot of support, but that doesn't mean the population has so sharply moved drastically more progressive in such a short time.
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The US population is largely some variety of “liberal” meaning vaguely left. The problem is the structure of our government favors land, not population.
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Another Lemmy post with no source in the main post.
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Had a hunch from the bg color: Source
Edit: Paywall Bypass
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no. ive seen these colours before.
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What the fuck South Korea? Also you just know that sudden rise in liberal men in the UK is the Tories' doing.
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SK is wild right now. Women are taking part in the 4B movement (no dating, sex, childbirth, or marriage. The Korean words start with "B"). There was a online feminist group that got people so heated they thought they were sneaking hand signals into "male" media and they were getting people fired. If certain characters didn't come out with risqué enough clothing, male netizens would blame some secret feminist in the company. Women are assaulted if they're confused for a feminist due to just their hairstyle. A book ("Kim Jiyoung 1989" I think) that is, like, baby's first feminist literature, can have your spouse leave you. Men say you can't date a woman whose read it. All the book is about is the subtle sexism women face. They have an epidemic of "molka," which are secret cameras in women's bathrooms among other places. Women tell each other to bring nail polish to paint over the screws to protect themselves. Their new president is looking to abolish the gender equality ministry and blames feminism for the low birth rate.
TL;DR: Yeah, it's pretty bad over there right now.
Edit: Here's a two part video that goes over this surprisingly well for being about gacha games. Part 1 and Part 2.
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oh yeah, South Korea has gone off the rails recently. lots of news stories about men assaulting women for the assumption that they're feminists, anti-woman politicians being elected, women losing their jobs for being (or assumed to be) feminists, it's all Very Not Good.
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Anti-feminism has taken a huge hold in SK. it's partially related to the draft, but that's nothing new. women have been getting increased respect over the past decades, esp in sharp contrast to the pre-war era when women didnt even deserve names beyond "X's mom".
the situation for women is actually improving a lot here, in many ways better than in other developed nations. consider it just one last baby whine
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The Tories are really good at convincing people to hate them, fuck the Tories
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It's very easy because the Tories have recently decided that the reason people don't like them is because they're not fascist enough, so they've doubled down and decided to be more fascist. At least trying to be, but it's difficult to be fascist when you lost power due to being awful fascists.
Weirdly people didn't want that, and so now they're even less popular.
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So probably -
When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Men want the days back when they were more in charge and didn’t have to worry about consequences so much.
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Probably as an over reaction to lost wages and the feeling of being completely unable to secure financial freedom for their family if they even had one which likely makes them feel like failures thus the hard pivot back to forceful ideology.
I mean unfortunately expectations of what a "man is" hasn't changed much since pre world wars with added consumerism since.
So it's equality where the equality is worse for everyone and social stigmas still are abound. It's a powder keg.
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I mean minus South Korea, the graphs still show young men leaning left at pretty steady rates. More young women have moved left though, which is perhaps unsurprising given how hostile right wing politics is towards them. (And how open that's become recently)
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- Different time scales on nearly all the charts
- no definition for what is conservative vs what is liberal
- Divergence has occurred within the past 10 yesrs
- Date range is floating for 18 to 29 year olds
- no data for equality
- no data for relative power
- no data for consequence
The data just...doesn't support this premise, so probably not.
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When the fuck were those days? I’ve been alive since 1977, and at no point since have I been “in charge” or “not had to worry about consequences”
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Those "good old days" are mostly just an invention of modern propaganda, a narrative that people nowadays tell themselves about the past, so they have some sort of ideal reality to work towards and hope for the future. Norman Rockwell, George Quaintance type shit, and now you can have it AI generated. Never mind the leagues of working class men that still went underpaid, lived in shithole stick houses, died of the black lung, never mind the segregation and systemic racism and redlining which reinforced all this shit, never mind the fact that the system is and always has been a zero sum game with haves and have-nots. That all gets whitewashed, and people get presented some ahistorical vision of the good old days when you could get a king sized snickers for a nickel.
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Probably somewhere in the 1800s
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Conservative being down is a good presentation choice.
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From a personal point of view, I agree, but playing devil's advocate, really the chart should be flipped so that the left/rightness is shown that way and the dates are on the vertical axis.
It'd also be good if the time periods matched, and if there was a source for the data.
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The swapped colors aren't, though.
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It's weird that the axes of where "centre" is remain stable over time. Can you imagine comparing "left vs right" between the 1890s and the 1920s? Like a bunch of stuff happened in between, history happened, and that tends to redefine left, right and centre.
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Great observation! This is called the Overton Window
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shit sucks which primes people for radicalization and The Algorithm basically pushes men to be chud shitheads (which doesn't really work for women because who is going to listen to "become a baby machine" and think YEAH, BET)
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You'd be surprised, until they encounter what that actually means and will mean for them specifically - some conservative women trick themselves into thinking they'll be given an exemption. Or they really just don't what it means until someone like Crowder is brow-beating them and not letting them leave
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Then you get the women who hate ethnic minorities, foreigners, sex-positivity, other religions that aren't their own denomination, and LGBTQ+ people more than they hate sexism. They will put up with misogynistic bullshit if it means they get to be racist and homophobic.
There's probably more of the former, though. Like you say a lot of them trick themselves into "being the exception," often because their partner is nice to them specifically.
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The important thing here is to know how did they measure young people's political ideologies. I wouldn't expect it was self-perceived as currently, people have a hard time admitting they are conservative compared to admitting they sympathize with a conservative party.
If it was determined by a questionnaire, it would be interesting to see what questions were included. Maybe the questions weren't well planned and that's it. Maybe they equalled feminist takes to
progressiveliberal ones, which is something that can be discussed. In this case, I would be picky about the origin of the graphics.-
This seems to be the original source of this graphic. But it just says "FT analysis of General Social Surveys of Korea, Germany & US [...]"
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If the importance of women's issues like reproductive freedom were overrepresented relative to other issues, this would definitely account for at least part of this difference. But "importance" itself is already a very subjective concept. It's hard to put numbers on these things and create a scoring system that's actually useful.
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Is anyone brave enough to ask why?
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Women are rightfully concerned about the loss of bodily autonomy. They don't want to live in the handmaids tale.
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This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn't helping.
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It’s “The Woke”. Women are more visible in society as they are treated more equally, so certain (yes not all men) men see that as men losing rights and want to go back to “the good old days”
If you created a similar graph mapping the ideology gap between races or straight and LGBTQIA+ they’d look very similar.
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Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.
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to the privileged, equality is oppression. And therefore more pushback to maintain the status quo
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The answer is simple the media is radicalizing people and gender is one of their primary motivations it is hand tailored to divide and conquer minds.
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I agree. Any divide they can make they will make. Its also convenient as it means they can use their culture war propaganda for double action to distract the masses.
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Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That's why it's always men driving it.
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Apparently you are, god speed you poor thing.
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Im not afraid of downvotes or getting my feewings hurt.
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Women's lib has been great for women but not so good for men. So men are becoming reactionary.
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What the fuck?
Just because one side gets more rights, doesn't mean the other side loses rights.
I guess if the rights you miss is the ability to beat your wife without repercussions.
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The gap sounds plausible, but I highly doubt the overall positions relative to 0.
E.g., the Federal Republic of Germany has had conservative chancellors for 51 years out of the 75 since it was founded. We did not have a constant left majority (I assume that is what they mean by liberal, since the actual sense of the term doesn't make sense as an opposite to "conservative").
Edit: I fucked up, this is only about people below 30.
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These graphs only cover the demographic of 18-29 year olds, which historically do lean heavily towards progressive.
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The difference by sex is the really interesting feature.
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That explains it and I did indeed overlook it. Thanks for the heads up.
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This is only a relative argument if you can prove the government accurately and granularly represents the population. That would be nice if it were true but speaking as an American, I find it hard to believe.
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Keep in mind that our voting system is actually built so the parliament represents the popular vote as closely as possible. It's not just an assembly of winners of individual "winner takes all" decisions. The average being above 0 in the graph should indeed mean left parties would be in the majority more often than not.
Edit: Another comment reminded me that the graphs only show 18-29 year olds. That explains it somewhat.
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I genuinely fear for future for women across the world
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Lol yeah woman were much safer, better educated, and financially independent historically. /S
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Current trends will definitely continue and there has never been large sociopolitical upheavals in the past, and there definitely won’t be any in the future.
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What's the source? I wanna learn about the weird unexpected drops in some countries.
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For anyone else also interested, I went and had a look at the links Dessalines kindly provided.
The source on the graphs says "Sources: Daniel Cox, Survey Center on American Life; Gallup Poll Social Series; FT analysis of General Social Surveys of Korea, Germany & US and the British Election Study. US data is respondent’s stated ideology. Other countries show support for liberal and conservative parties All figures are adjusted for time trend in the overall population." Where FT is financial times.
It's not clear how the words "liberal" and "conservative" were chosen, whether they're intended to mean "socially progressive" and "socially traditional" or have other connotations bound with the political parties too, and whether the original data chose those descriptions or if they're FT's inference as being "close enough" for an American audience.
Unfortunately the FT data site is refusing to let me look at them without "legitimate interest" advertising cookies so I can't tell you much more or if there's any detail on methodology.
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Huh, that explains the 4B movement in S. Korea.
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In my city, there's a Korean community and from my friend who is a teacher, those girls who left Korea hate Korean dudes and want to hook up with Americans.
I don't understand anything about Korean culture or k-pop.
But after reading about 4B, this is starting to make sense.
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a Nier fandom?
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Ohh wait, this is actually good for my dating chances. Gotta find the good in the bad...
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The world lol? More like America and its vassals.
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Do you have any links for surveys of other countries?
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Why does everything appear to appear at +15 across the board just before 1990?
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Rise of Streamers. Uneducated man childs giving advice to teenage boys, while "living the life"...
Imagine an angsty teen with blue balls hearing the opinion on women from his idolized, expensive car driving, pumped up tattooed narcissist how to pick up girls every evening.
That shit is toxic populism in times with lots of uncertainty about the future.
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Prior to the Internet people got a lot of their political opinions from mass media, which would explain why everyone thought the same back then.
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My guess (based on no hard facts, bust purely speculation): This statistic is for the age group of 18-29 year old. Young people tend to be more liberal and grow more conservative as they age.
There might also be a political or economic component, but i think age is the primary reason why these graphs mostly show a liberal bias for the samples.
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Interestingly it looks like in 3 of 4 charts men have, at worst, returned to mean. It's the women getting more leftist. And I don't blame them.
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Liberalism isn't the same as Left. It's not even in the same political axis.
You can't really read "more liberal" as being the same as "more leftist".
Left would be something like: "I want the greatest good for the greatest number".
Liberalism would be something like: "I want people to have the most freedom to do whatever they want".
You might notice that these two things collide in things like the existence of the super-rich, were for a liberal that's a good thing (they have maximum freedom) whilst for a Leftie it's a bad thing (wealth concentration reduces the access to resources for the many hence it directly goes against the greatest good for the greatest number).
Similarly centralizing control of part or the whole of the Economy (which decreases trade freedom) to achieve greater equality is absolutelly valid within the Leftwing principles and entirely against Liberal principles.
it's only in places like the US, were the entirety of Leftwing is about 4 congressmen, that Liberalism gets confused with Leftwing.
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Yeah, I would classify them as mean
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Well, honestly what political positions women have means less in "interesting times" like ours.
They are not strongly pressured by conservative men of their family and surroundings (if they have such), because tribal parts of politics rely a lot on crowd instincts, and those of women don't work exactly the same. They do participate in politics, but with the different kind of emotion.
For men a woman holding different views is usually not an existential enemy. They might ridicule that or dislike, that may look disgusting, but it's a different kind of attitude. It's pretty normal for women from families from authoritarian elites to have publicly liberal views. The dictator daddy won't punish his daughter for reposting something virtue-signalling against what he's doing. He knows it's of no consequence.
At the same time women, of course, see the tendencies around us and their views change accordingly.
But again, in the "interesting times" what men do may matter just a bit more, because there are power dynamics involved where women are disadvantaged due to both different tribal instincts and to men being more represented among people with power. In some sense political views are a kind of compensation.
So it's both bigger incentives for such views (with actual incels loudly talking) and less pressure (that's spent on threatening violence against male opponents).
I'm not an incel. Just thinking.
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Sauce, for those interested - https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e12998
In the US, Gallup data shows that after decades where the sexes were each spread roughly equally across liberal and conservative world views, women aged 18 to 30 are now 30 percentage points more liberal than their male contemporaries. That gap took just six years to open up.
So it might be worth taking it with a pinch of salt because I'm betting it's using the very dumbed down "liberal vs conservative" 'murican political view. Maybe skew all results down 3-6 points.
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Here, have some unsourced data on subjective tendencies.
Nah, that doesn't count as data just yet then.
Especially not at a point in time where someone like Trump is said to represent "Conservatism".
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The good news is that almost universally, women vote in greater numbers than me. So on average its still breaking to the left.
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That's also a symptom of Capitalism producing its own gravediggers.
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Only if the trend between women getting more liberal and men getting more conservative cancel out. If you have a graph like South Korea where young women vote moderately more liberal, but young men become drastically more conservative, then it still results in an overall shift towards conservative values.
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Does it, though? If I lean a little bit left I'm going to vote left, whereas if I lean a lot left then... I'm still going to vote left (or vice versa). Granted, I might vote for a more fringe party then further I lean, but I don't think a greater divide will reflect in the number of votes particularly.
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Hey look if you start taking away white male privilege they freak out when they find out people of other races, genders and creeds are better than them, who knew?
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I'm surprised most comments here try to give any other explanation but this.
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Then why are young men being disproportionately affected? Older men are not swinging like this.
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Older men are generally already in a position of benefit, locked in a system where they cannot be taken down from their position of power. Reforms are coming at the beginning of the chain (entrance to university, internships and early job opportunities). Young men in families where their father/grandfather were in systems that benefited them - and also nepotism - have the understanding they will need to do very little to succeed. They have not put the effort in because they were told they would not have to compete.
Have a look at old laws for where you live in the world. Find out whether your mother or grandmother actually had the opportunity for higher education, or even whether she could get/keep a job after she had children and then form your own conclusions from there.
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I believe that a significant factor for this can be attributed to mental development and maturity of boys lagging behind that of girls of the same age, during formative years. And, please read on, if you assume my argument is "boys dumb, conservatives dumb. Q.E.D."
The second factor is an education system where this offset in mental development/maturity is further confounded. Boys don't typically do as well, because sitting idle and being a "good boy", is more challenging. This leads to a path for boys to start working earlier, while girls get higher degrees. (I assume the trends for higher education by gender, to be similar, if not, then that can falsify this hypothesis).
What a person then observes they get from society, vs what you pay in terms of taxes, is skewed between these two groups, and highly correlated with gender.
If this hypothesis has any validity to to it, then one could argue that a way to mitigate this is by correcting the negative causes. Where the fundamental root cause might be improved by revisiting how education is failing boys in particular.
The challenge with this is that if the conservative parties' policies are driven by what can make more people vote conservative, then this will be a negative feedback loop. The worse you make it for a certain group of people that vote for you, the more that group is willing to vote for you.
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I think the issue is simpler, in that the traditionally dominant group statistically reacts negatively to the levelling of the field and their loss of control and power over the other group. This and the fact that it's statistically harder to see the oppression and feel for it when you are not affected by it(and this goes for every form of oppression).
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Ok, then this would mean older women would be skewing further liberal, not younger women who don’t have any life experience to have seen anything change in these ways.
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How does it start with women being more conservative than men in Germany and the US?
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In the US it starts in 1985, which is about a decade after the Vietnam war, which obviously hit men a lot worse then women.
For Germany it was a similar thing. Conscription to fight in the potential war within Germany. So a decent chance of having to fight and die.
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My guess is from a rise in hatred of homosexual men during the aids epidemic in the 80s maybe?
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Canada is so fucked. I understand the fatigue with Justin Trudeau and the Liberals but if PP wins it truly is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
We deserve whatever comes from the next election. A person is smart. People are dumb.
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There is no "fatigue" with Justin Trudeau.
People are pissed off and struggling because of the decisions that their municipal or provincial government make, and then misattribute that pain to the federal government.
Yet, they'll vote conservative, not realizing this.
Housing affordability, healthcare, education, traffic congestion, crime, homelessness, childcare, or even snow removal ARE NOT the responsibility of the federal government.
Rather than buying "fuck Trudeau" stickers and flags to put on their oversized pickup trucks, maybe voters should learn how our government is structured.
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Halp!!!
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Those letters mean absolutely nothing to me
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Canadian politics: red, Liberal party (center); blue, Conservative party (right); orange, New Democrat party (left); green, Green party (was kinda conservative, then had a meltdown around identity politics); BQ are kind of French separatists.
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Here you see the chinese meddling in other countries' politics. The canadians are so brainwashed by the chinese that in canadian elections they vote for the Communist Party of China!
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Weird that men used to be more liberal at any point.
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Labour movements, maybe?
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good take. the shift began at a point where not only work became more deregulated, but women were pressed to work out of home and accumulate both their jobs and the function of homemaker. you start to fight more for your rights, and men start to believe the neocon "rights for men" mumbo-jumbo.
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As a Transfem, it's because conservatives suck (granted I despise all forms of liberalism).
Also why the hell is liberalism considered "left-wing" its center right at most.
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The people who process these data have limited vocabulary or need to speak to those who do.
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Political education in the US and many of the countries that hold these polls is awful. I'd trust a middle-schooler from Cuba, Vietnam, or China more than an ivy-league-educated polysci graduate when it comes to political awareness.
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Did you just say conservatism is a form of liberalism?
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In the United States the Republicans follow a form of Liberalism, Libertarians a form of Classical Liberalism, and Democrats a form a Neoliberalism.
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Generally, a supporter of the political philosophy liberalism. Liberals may be politically left or right but tend to be centrist.
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Okay, but how many are leftists?
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??? So many holes in the way this data is presented
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Hey can you pls give me the source? I want to look into that.
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So many men who will never get a girlfriend and not understand why. Social media influencers were a mistake.
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corporate enablers
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So here's the question - is the scale consistent over time? That is, do we consider the same ideas left/right wing in 202x as we did in 199x?
Let's assume it is. We're seeing men lean towards the center/right, and a lot of people are asking why. The trouble is, the answer isn't one people like to hear - in our headlong pursuit of equity, we're introducing a lot of inequality. You lift the ladies up, while you let the men climb - all based on the assumption that the women had further to climb so what you're doing is levelling the field.
Countering this is a sympathetic voice, one offering to bring back equality or offer a different kind of equity. Casting gender equity as a zero sum game, and pushing for equality aimed at the ones not being lifted up.
I often hear the "uneducated men" argument, but that's just an ugly echo from the past serving those it once oppressed in a bitter irony. The reality is that even educated people can fall for propaganda. Especially when voting in what they see as their own self interest.
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in our headlong pursuit of equity,
Where the hell do you live where there has been a headlong pursuit for equity/equality?
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If the scale would not be consistent, the results is actual worse. The whole political spectrum is moving towards the right. Traditional left wing parties here in Germany doing right wing stuff is getting normal.
And I don't see any left party in the U.K. or U.S. parliaments.
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Cries in UK
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Hopefully, in the distant future (as t -> inf), we will all become conservatives. Not out of resistance to change, but because we did so well: We have progressed to such an optimal point that any further step (progress) would lead to something worse. Maybe the trends reflect this?
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Anyone wanna take bets that the datatrend will change once we have fully functional Gynoids?
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We won't. The desire is to be connected to a real living woman. Toys can't get sophisticated enough to make you believe what you prematurely know to not be true.
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Yeah that's what meant by fully "functional". We already see it with people purchasing sex dolls and even the AI powered ones that have conversations. If a AI dolls is indistinguishable or at least good enough from a human female I bet we will see a change as the populous is satisfied.
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I wonder why Dessalines is posting this sort of stupid charts
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Is this related to differences in prefrontal cortex maturity rates in young adults?
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If it was, you'd have to argue how that only got to impact results in the past 5 years. It's more likely to be an environmental factor. If only we could point to something that has changed in the past 5-10 years...
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I think it's safe to assume at least one environmental stimulus. I'm just curious about the diverging trend between the sexes. Why did they respond disproportionately?
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If by that you mean biological differences, then no way. Genetics don't change on this sort of short time scale. It's almost certainly socio-economic factors.
edit: to clarify genetics for something with the generation time and growth like humans, if we were looking at bacteria you could of course easily see major shifts like resistances to antibiotics in much shorter time frames.
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No of course not. I don't have a particular idea in mind. I've heard many people state that the prefrontal cortex develops sooner in women, and this specifically affects how much of the brain is engaged in decision making.
I was certainly prone to seeing everything in black and white in my early 20s. This may have affected my younger brain's susceptibility to extremist views.
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oh my god what a stupid post
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I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but what makes you say that?
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ok but this age group also doesn't vote.
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Yet
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