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FenrirIII @lemmy.world

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A liberal would feed 100 people on the off chance one needed food. A conservative would deny 100 people food on the off chance one didn’t deserve it.
- Liberals are clearly the lesser evil, but sadly both get into bed with lobbyists and capitalists that created the housing and food shortage in the first place. Liberals just want slightly less evil capitalism while conservatives want aggressively more evil capitalism.
  
  But by wanting a less evil capitalism they get accused of being communists etc...
- A liberal would feed 100 people on the off chance one needed food.
  That's not how means testing works, unfortunately.
- Maybe they'd give them a tax break after they filled out a dozen forms proving need.
  Libs hate universal programs and they hate direct aid. Hence why instead of free healthcare, we got obamacare. Instead of cash to help new parents buy the things they need, Kamala is promoting a tax break. Instead of free college, we got complicated loan forgiveness schemes that seem entirely random if it applies to you and how much.
  
  You seem to think change happens in a vacuum and that at no stage has anyone attempted to stand in front of the things that have helped millions.
  On one hand you have the Right who wish harm on an honestly cartoonish scale. Like, it's difficult to fathom just how much suffering they want to cause others without somehow doing mental gymnastics to wrap your mind around it. They are the cartoon evil villains at the top, while towards the bottom are amongst the poorest, least educated, and angriest people. The vast majority of whom have been living under Republican leadership for generations.
  On the other you have a flawed group composed of many different groups whose opinions largely intersect, though often with key differences. Some of them wish harm on others, that is inevitable, though by magnitudes less than the Right. Many of them just want life to be better, and the rest want life to be better for all, including those on the Right. The States traditionally under the Left's leadership have higher quality of life in every measurable aspect, and greater access to institutions who can help them.
  You talk about the smaller steps the Left takes while completely ignoring the small steps the Right has taken leading up to this. A gradual decline decades in the making. We CAN fix it, and we could use the help of those who want to be heard. All we ask is to help us win this election and then be the voices that help push that positive change after the election.
  
  Another hot take from .ml
- You are not voting for libs or cons though. You are voting for one of two corporations the difference of which in actions, not words, on key policies is miniscule. Of those one is openly criminal and another is not, so you're voting for the latter. You want the boot up your ass to be legally solid.
  It's a pretty feudal dynamic.
  
  Man, one group is actively creating policy and legislation to deny people who I care about the right to exist. The other is doing the opposite.
  Get that eighth grade both sides horseshit outta here. Grow up.
  
  I was going to post about how we should reform mental healthcare for the better.
  I had facts and figures, handy infographics; the whole 9 yards.
  After reading your comment, I don't need to post anything at all. Everyone can see how dismal our mental healthcare is from those few sentences you typed up.
  Thank you!
  
  How the fuck people like you can say shit like that after Trump's three SCOTUS picks were responsible for striking down Roe v. Wade after 50 years, then went after Chevron and said that a president could commit crimes if they are official acts, I don't know.

And surprisingly the most religious people tend to vote for the elephant...
- This isn’t surprising at all, if you look at their rhetoric.
  They need the world to self-destruct so Jesus will come back and give them their paradise. Nearly all Christian sects are doomsday cults, because Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher.
  Nuclear war? Good, that brings Jesus back. Climate apocalypse? Awesome, because Jesus will come back, as prophesied. Israel implodes? Best case scenario, because this is exactly how Jesus comes back.
  They want all of us to burn for the sake of their doomsday fantasies.
- I saw an interesting video a few days ago that touched on this. It proposes that most liberals think of problems and how to solve them. Teenage pregnancy is up? How do we increase sex education and access to contraception?
  Where most conservatives think of problems and how to punish the people that cause them. Mostly stemming from the idea that living a just and moral life - like they do - means you won't have those problems, so it's your own fault if you do. Teenage pregnancy is up? Quit being a slut and instead raise this baby that was a result of your own slutty behavior.
  I've been looking at things through this lense the past few days and see this way of thinking popping up over and over again.
  
  As a former conservative, the "fuck them they deserve it" attitude is very accurate. Sometimes they shun each other over that stuff too. Other times they compartmentalize. Depends on how much they like that person.
  
  watch the entire series, it's pretty good, and unfortunately still relevant.
- of course, gives them an excuse to hate, it's not them hating you, it's gawd!
- The ones who respond with excitement whenever there is bloodlust and retribution and suffering in the Bible. They enjoy those parts.
- The elephant may never forget but they do.
- https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak
- the most religious people
  Catholics and Jews predominantly support Democrats. Idk if I'd describe Southern Baptists and Mormons as "more religious" than Unitarians or Muslims or Wiccans. That seems to suggest religious liberals are... What? Just phoning it in because they're not reactionary in their beliefs?

Yeah this is biased. The Democrats are only like 20% good, Republicans are 1% good.
Remember folks if you have the option of voting for 99% Hitler or 100% Hitler, vote for 99% Hitler.
- You lost me with the 2nd paragraph. There is no world in which I would vote for 99% Hitler. Any system that only gives you a choice between 90% Hitler and 100% Hitler shouldn't exist. At that point my vote would be to burn it down and create something better.
  
  If you actually burn it down then fine. If you vote 3rd party then you're enabling 100% Hitler.
  
  I'm sorry that reality sucks.
  Good luck with the revolution! You're going to need it because a good chunk of the population will be voting for 100% Hitler. And I know most liberals are not interested in joining the cause.
- Remember folks if you have the option of voting for 99% Hitler or 100% Hitler, vote for 99% Hitler.
  Casting my ballot on the way into the gas chamber.
  
  We aren't at the chambers yet, why not delay as much as possible?

- Dick Cheney, is that you?

can we figure out a way to silence the both-sides'rs and the butwhataboutpalestines? i don't care how it gets done. just make it so that no one has to see their bullshit any more.
- Block them.
- butwhataboutpalestines
  Perhaps we should call them Uighurs or Ukrainians or Afghan Freedom Fighters in order to get Democrats to start caring again.
  just make it so that no one has to see their bullshit any more
  🙈 🙉 🙊
  
  lololol don't care about those either. i mean, slava ukraini but i'm much more concerned about my backyard than i am anybody else's.

Both sides are exactly the same! And by "both sides", drag means Democrats and Marxist-Leninists. Democrats give money to Israel even though their voters don't want them to. Marxist-Leninists abstain and let trump bomb Palestinians even though they claim to be allies of Palestine. Both claim to be good, but do bad things.

Lets do something and help
*offer only applies to first generation home buyers who have paid rent on time for 3 years and started a small business in a disadvantaged community that employs more than 2 people but less than 7 and is paying at least $50,000 in taxes in their first year, if your social security is divisible by 6 or 7, but not 3 or 5.
- ...And then there's .ml, who loudly refuse to see the difference every 4 years.
  
  Death, taxes, .ml users entirely missing the point.
  
  Reality is black and white to them. Zero nuance whatsoever. Same goes for the people on here who bitch about Dems and Gaza but never acknowledge how much worse the GOP are on that topic. The Dems could bend over backward and push their whole agenda and they'd still find something to bitch about.
- Sorry to hear you're struggling man, hope it changes for you
- all of these limitations were put in place as concessions to republicans
  
  Concessions they didn't need to make because they had a majority, and republicans aren't going to vote for it anyway.
- Lets do something and help
  Proceeds to shit propaganda all over every thread and can't/won't back up anything with facts
  
  I cite academic sources all the time. This post is a joke, satirizing the dem's love of means-testing by combining the requirements from 3 proposals Kamala has made. I can show you the proposals I'm mocking if you want.

How about the dems help stop bombing children?
- Fuck off, drumpf would be doing the same or worse, like letting Putin have a free pass in Ukraine, which is also filled with children.
  What Israel is doing is WRONG, it should be stopped, but Donald dump isn’t the answer.
  
  Kindly point out where I said Trump was better?
  
  drumpf would be doing the same
  "Vote for our candidate, she's just like Trump!"
  
  Oh cool, that makes it ok then👍
- I'd love to see it happen but I don't think it will until the Republicans are no longer able to waste everyone's time flinging their own shit and screaming. Once the republican party is rendered irrelevant and the democratic party can actually fracture into proper left and right wing parties (without causing severe social problems) im hopeful we'll see a great deal more progress.
  
  Yeah, absolutely. Clearly the voting system in the US prevents real representation.
- You make it sound like Israel goes: "We will bomb the Palestinians, but ONLY if Democrats PUSH this button! Do it Joseph Biden and Nancy Pelosi!" and they trip over each other to push that button.
  No. That is republicans you are thinking of. They enjoy the bloodlust and the prophecy and of coming of the end of days! They want to LUBRICATE that shit! For the last hundred years we've been in the very last days, according to them, the antichrist peeking from just around the corner, any moment now...
  
  Really? You need to work on your reading comprehension. Choosing the less evil option doesn't mean not criticising supporting a genocide.
- First past the post is our only real shot at getting a better, third party.
  Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
  Until then, we stick with the objectively better (but still abysmal on Israel) Democrats.
  
  FPP? Are you sure? Most people think FPP is the problem.

The concept of Democrats doing helpful and useful things is utterly laughable. Straw-men for EVERYONE!!!
- Are you stupid?
  
  Seems likely.
  
  Are you 12?
- Didn't dems do obamacare and insulin caps? They're the ones expanding welfare and pushing for anything remotely good in the last idk forever. What do you mean by this?

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