America Deserved 9/11 Megathread
America Deserved 9/11 Megathread
Get in here chapos! Any memes, rants, quips, jokes you have, let's fuckin hear them! That shit is funny.
America Deserved 9/11 Megathread
Get in here chapos! Any memes, rants, quips, jokes you have, let's fuckin hear them! That shit is funny.
There's a distinct lack of rants, so I'll toss my annoyance out there.
There were days where covid in the US was killing a 9/11 amount of people every day and so many of the chuds who act like 9/11 was the worst thing ever did not give a fuck. And it pisses me off so bad. It's the perfect "one death is a tragedy, a million a statistic" trap so many people fall into and that always pisses me off. One person dies because of weed - nation wide story. Tens of thousands die from alcohol - who gives a damn.
My interpretation of these people is that they actually don't give a shit about anyone who died in the attacks. They pretend to, but what they're really mad about is the fact that it was a successful attack on a widely recognized symbol of United States hegemony.
IMO there are two reasons why the 9/11 attacks resonated. The first one is crucial for the second.
The first is that it was spectacle, literally. It is impossible to deny that the image of a large passenger aircraft flying straight into a building and exploding is simultaneously nauseating, enthralling, and "better than fiction" in the emotional response it can get out of anybody. The second reason is that once cable news had that spectacle to get their viewers, it was like
for them. Just play it back. Replay it. Play it again. Run that another time. Get the second angle. Get the third angle. Play it again. Play it another time. The ad money coming in at that time must've been tremendous. It was really time for the fourth estate to shine. Judith Miller can tell you all about that.COVID deaths? No spectacle. It doesn't matter that well over a million Americans died from it, as well as millions more globally (and we still are dying, too). It's undeniable that COVID had media coverage, but it wasn't like CNN was sending in camera crews into hospitals to catch people's last gasps of air before they perished. Abstract reasoning is too hard. We need to see the explosion and the building collapse, not reason about a number.
I was in college on 9/11. If you weren’t old enough to know what was going on, it’s impossible to communicate how much of a “spectacle” it was. The closest I can come would be to say imagine if you woke up and aliens landed on earth. It wasn’t just that everyone was glued to their TVs set. It was just this… thing that was happening. In my dorm, everyone just watched it on their TVs alone. Got lunch with my friends and no one spoke hardly at all. Just a completely surreal day that’s hard to describe to anyone who didn’t live it.
Edit: to further emphasize the “spectacle” part, later in the day I had to run an errand with a friend. On that drive he confided in me that “I kinda want to see the number [of dead] go a lot higher”. He wasn’t saying that because he wanted a reason to start a war. And he wasn’t some weirdo. He was a very thoughtful, empathetic person (but brutally honest about things, like Jan Maas in Ted Lasso). I think a TON of people felt that way but didn’t say it out loud. I don’t buy that people were traumatized that day or anything. I think they were captivated by the spectacle and were mad that our collective ego was bruised, and didn’t really care about actual dead people.
I was just a little kid when it happened, and in my house the TV was on all day every day. I saw it happen over and over and over and over again, before I could even spell my own name, drilled into my mind forever. :/
Looking back at the live news footage, it's nauseating the way they show it, like a feeding frenzy of vultures on corpses. I think I know why I had so many violent nightmares as a kid now.
This is bang on
I don't think anything will ever match the spectacle of seeing that second plane hit. It was a total surprise and just AWESOME in the literal sense of that word.
Honestly I don't think I saw a single commercial all day on 9/11, it was nonstop news coverage on every channel as I recall.
The “one death is a tragedy” quote is often attributed to Stalin among many other Hollywood capeshit tier quotes. But the US continues to lead by example. 40,000 people each year from car accidents, no one cares. But a tragedy with hundreds of deaths involving a train of plane and it’s a matter of national debate for 6 months. Same with gun deaths.
Latuff don't miss
In 2001?! The absolute mad lad lmao
latuff was photographed immediately after drawing that:
I’m sure this was well received
Jeremiah Wright, September 16th, 2001:
I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday, did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out... that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammed was in fact true, America's chickens…are coming home to roost.
We took this country by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arowak, the Comanche, the Arapahoe, the Navajo. Terrorism.
We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.
We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.
We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers, and hardworking fathers.
We bombed Qaddafi's home and killed his child.
We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living.
We bombed a plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hardworking people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they would never get back home.
We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children from school, civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.
We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.
Entire interview and sermon clip is worth watching, but this bit starts around 3:10
I had no idea he was this based.
He's so good, an absolute legend. Obama's abandonment of him during his 2008 campaign made him retire early which fucking sucks.
Another incredible sermon is "Confusing God and Government" in 2003 which is the famous "God damn America" sermon.
Why do you think Obama had to disown him?
No innocent civilians in the planes or towers deserved to die in 9/11 obviously (and I hope everyone agrees here), but what I despise about the event is how the American civil religion lionised it and reacted afterwards. The attack was carried out by a US asset gone rouge and a direct result of US meddling and old school imperial conquest in the Middle East, which included killing many innocent civilians there themselves. The 9/11 attacks were not some unforeseen unprovoked event.
Then there's the response. It's quite clear that the main issue with 9/11 to American leadership was not the number of lives lost, but the fact that it was a successful attack on Americas biggest symbols symbols of global financial and military domination. It was about the message that sent. A successful attack from the "jungle" on the "garden", as old school racist imperialists would say. And how did America respond to that? By invading two countries that had nothing to do with the event, while becoming even closer allies with the country that the majority of 9/11 hijackers were from. Hundreds of thousands killed in Iraq over a lie about WMDs. Afghanistan pillaged for two decades before returning to the exact same position, Taliban rule. Osama was in Afghanistan by the time the US showed up? Yes, and I'm going to be a billionaire tomorrow. More instability, more US funded terrorist groups. The response was just to go and loot and pillage the Middle East 100 times harder with false righteous fury. Like bombing an entire neighborhood because you got mugged by one of its residents.
And that really showed the true character of the US as a country. Just how much bloodlust they had after 9/11. They just wanted to go out and kill a nation, any nation from the region would've sufficed. The were calls on national radio and TV programs for glassing and nuking the entire region. Around 75% of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq at the time. An invasion clearly based on lies. But they didn't care, they just wanted revenge. To kill someone, anyone. If you compare how the US reacted here, to how other countries reacted in the face of hardship, attacks and near civil war (see South Africa during the end of apartheid) it's clear that the character of the US is rotten deep down.
Yes it was a reaction to imperialism, but it’s even more farcical bc in this case the US trained and armed the attackers. They didn’t only create the conditions for blowback they supplied the means for its execution!
Oh well at least we learned our lesson. It’s not like we’re blindly pouring billions of dollars of weaponry directly into the hands of right wing fanatics in war zones to intentionally protract a conflict being waged by our geopolitical rivals oh wait
Jk I’m sure all that stuff will stay in Ukraine they need it. Slava ukraini
And that really showed the true character of the US as a country. Just how much bloodlust they had after 9/11.
I would add that it wasn’t just the immediate aftermath of 9/11 that showed Americans’ character. After it was widely known and accepted that there were no WMDs and so many people had already died, Americans’ response was basically “whoopsie daisy”. Americans accepted, likely just as cope, that Bush and Cheney didn’t lie, the CIA didn’t lie, etc. No one did anything maliciously. Everyone was just doing their gosh darn best and they just got it wrong; like ordering some bad soup at a deli. So there has been zero accountability at all. Hell, I can’t imagine the President of the US just writing a letter of apology to the Iraqi people without most Americans losing their shit over it.
Bad countries refuse to acknowledge their faults and certainly don’t do anything about it. For as incomplete as de-Naziification was at least in West Germany, I do believe German society - even in the West - did try and come to grips with the horrors of the Nazi regime and do something about it. You’ll know about this much better than I, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but in the 90s it seemed at least to an outsider that there was at least some attempt for South African society to understand the scope of evil of apartheid, come to grips with it, and move forward in healthier ways. This is the sort of baseline requirement to being a good country and the Americans can’t even come close to this low standard.
The attack was carried out by a US asset gone rouge and a direct result of US meddling and old school imperial conquest in the Middle East
It goes back even further. The flight company that some of the terrorists used to train was owned by a CIA pilot whose son was connected to the Belgian Brabant serial killings/terrorists.
You know, I always assumed that he had been on his day off and just happened to be bowling already by the time the attack happened. I never imagined that he heard about the attacks, and then way later decided to go bowling and bowled a perfect game. That's so much fucking funnier
Me bagging all the muffins: Thanks, Osama.
Never forget but also wrap it up, we ain’t got all day.
please make this a hexbear header
:no-oil:
guy who gets angry at "Bush did 9/11" memes because he views Osama bin Laden as a hero and wants him to get the credit he deserves
that's me
I wish it were true that 19 mujahideens with boxcutters pulled off the biggest job in human history
I believe this screenshot is from genzedong or chapo. I forget.
2 foot long subs $9.11
We used to be a real country
9/11 was proof that America is one of the most self-absorbed, narcissistic societies to ever exist. They suffer what they inflict upon others in an afternoon of ignorance or infantile righteous judgement, and they start foaming at the mouth to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, gloating over how they will 'send them back to the stone age'. It's sometimes difficult to put into words how repulsive Americans can be.
Does that mean that everyone who died on 9/11 had it comin? No. But the event was beyond illuminating of how America is an imperialist beast with a Narcissus complex.
The unchecked, uncurtailed, ceaseless and boundless of expansion of the surveillance state due to 9/11 doesn’t get talked about enough. I don’t have a joke here, I am just saying it sucks so much man.
This is the first 911 since the reddit refugees oh geez this will get messy
I've had a shit fucking week so if I catch even a sniff of liberalism in here im just banning on site, nobody fucking test me. I'll fucking wreck you.
How many Hexbear users got banned?
Our personal 9/11
Missed opportunity. They should have been 3 for $9.11.
Margins too tight for our celebratory $9.11 sales prices, thanks Joe Brandonomics
American libs when experiencing a fraction of the brutality they subjected others to:
The towers have fallen
Billions must die
Q: What's the difference between 9/11 and a cow?
A: You can't milk a cow for 22 years.
If we were still federated with the libs, this thread would be wild
ShitJustWonks has official rules against 9/11 jokes.
lmao, I hadn't considered what impact 9/11 was going to have on federation until just now
If lemm.ee doesn't finally defederate from us over this thread, then I don't think they ever will.
Lmao
Back when he was just a baby poster 🥹
This goes in the gallery for the "Posting Throughout the Ages" exhibit in the People's Museum of History and Communication. Ideally Trump would get his own dedicated wing.
Thank you Mr. President!
Very cool!
My older Cuban relatives were staying with us in NY the month of September 2001 from Havana. We actually took them to the World Trade Center a few days prior to the attacks. My principle memory of 9/11 was them laughing and celebrating and my dad getting mad at them.
This was a great meme back in 2011, kids.
Wonder if they’ve already lowered the Guantanamo Bay McDonald’s flag to half mast
I remember when the towers fell, and people all over the word showed sympathy and solidarity, even from "enemy" countries like Iran. Then there was hate crimes, and the ubiquitous calls for us to "glass the middle east", but those were outliars, right? Bush observed the rubble and vowed revenge and told us to not be afraid to go shopping, and then shamelessly exploited the tragedy to further US geopolitical goals and killed millions of people across the world who had nothing to do with it. No "serious" politician or pundit or average American gave a shit.
Little did I realize that the "killing millions" part was just standard operating procedure for the US, and the most important thing we can do, no matter what happens, is to uphold our duty as consumers and keep buying shit.
Crazy to think we used to not have to take off our shoes and empty our pockets and be body-scanned to get on a plane.
Never Forgetti
so sorry for party rocking
wait are they corey worthington's glasses
::: spoiler not quite
When I was young I wanted to learn more about Osama. The first YouTube videos that popped up when I searched him were a Numa Numa parody, and the trailer for a documentary (made by Super Size Me guy) where Osama break dances to MC Hammer
I think some of most interesting things around 9/11 are the extremely stupid side stories. Consider real estate developer Larry Silverstein who argued that the WTC attacks were two separate attacks, and therefore he was entitled to two payouts on his insurance claim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein#Insurance_dispute
It's mundane shit like this that really gives a unique glimpse into the depravity of capitalism. The uninteresting part of this is the casually anti-Semitic implication that the insurance policy was taken because a Jewish man knew what was going to happen. That's part is just stupid antisemitism and I do think it's worth making that point clear.
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Is this loss?
For some it was a gain.
Fuck, I love the coup
So on 9/11/2001, I was at work.
I get done with what I was doing and went to put my tools back in the storage room and I see some of my other coworkers in another section standing around a radio, silent and serious.
I walk back past them and ask in a sarcastic way, "Who died?"
Needless to say, it did not go over well.
What's your favorite way your parents destroyed the towers? My household had a minor affair, we had little candles in the shape of the WTC on the dining room table. We would thank George Bush for the Patriot Act and then light the candles. We had to be good, because George Bush was always watching us with the Patriot Act, but if we were good, we'd get little pilot's wings pins.
The rich kids in my neighborhood had more elaborate plans, I heard they had full on model WTC towers. If they were good, there would be RC planes under the towers on 9/11 morning. They were always showing me the cool videos when they destroyed the towers.
:miyazaki-laugh:
Never forget the opportunity for profit 🙏
Always be crashing (planes)
[saluting, shedding a single tear] love da mets...
I beat Pokémon gold on 9/11. I was hyped but my parents didn't care cause some stupid buildings got planed.
OUR BRAVE POSTING ANCESTORS (2001-09-11 @ 6:08am Pacific time)
Sucks being on the West Coast of north America. Last place in the world to be able to celebrate 9/11
Hawaii is later. And they have even more reason to celebrate.
Absolutely fair enough i withdraw my complaint
guy who moves to Kiribati so he can be the first to celebrate 9/11
I remember the night of logging on to battle.net to play Diablo 2 and seeing the insane anti-muslim racism and hate. I think it was one of my first brushes with nascent internet racism.
I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.
I'll watch the skies
It's free real estate
One lucky gentleman who had purchased the buildings only 7 weeks earlier got a $4.5 billion insurance payout... he had been advised against purchasing the buildings because they needed to be renovated on every floor to remove the asbestos and it would have cost him millions. Renovations were scheduled for 2002. That problem was eliminated by some airplanes and he became a lot richer in the process... and proceeded to brag about it on multiple occasions!
this film is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of afghanistan
fuck taliban my homies are alqaeda
Very glad megathreads here aren't just a modding weapon used to suck the life out of a topic by being "enforced" so that all posts, memes and other content about a topic gets contained, otherwise I would be very upset.
Dream Theater did 9/11
reminder that this live album was literally released on the morning of September 11 lmao
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Music this album was to be released Sept the 11th as well.
I tried to stay up till 12:00 am but I am not going to make it.
It is wild to think that former cia asset Osama bin Laden did the thing from a book written by a diffrent cia asset Tom Clancy.
🤔
I’m not supposed to laugh at 9/11 but I’m allowed to hijack a jet in GTA who is the real monster
Can we please stop celebrating on this awful day, the diada of Catalonia when they lost their independence and became part of Spain you awful fucks
Considering how much US presidents and the CIA lie, I don’t think we’re ever going to truly know what happened 🥰
Anyone got one of those stupid horny copypastas with all the emojis for 9/11?
::: spoiler first one i found and it's terrible Buckle 🔒 your seatbelts 💺 bitches 😏 because some terrWHOREists 🇦🇪🇸🇦 just hiJACKED OFF ✊🏻and SLAMMED 💥a second plane 🛬into your Lower 😰East 🧭Side🏙️ ! Don’t 🙅♀️believe the removedpiracies 👩🏼🔬, your wiki-leaking 👩🏼💻SLUT fuel ⛽️⛽️is gonna melt 🥵🥵 his steel beams 🏗️⛓️. NEVER FORGET 🫡 🕯️how we CAME 💦 together 🫂🤝 raising our flags 🇺🇸, TITS 🍒, and COCKS 🍆for our fellow Ameriremoved 🦅🗽👩🏻🚒
Thanks 🙏🏻to Bussy Bush 🌳🤠and his DEEP 🕳️state, TSA 👮🏻♂️can rub 🧼their hands 👐🏻all over your ASS 🍑of evil 😏. Daddy DICK Cheney 🍆 will be waiting to send the biggest 🥵, throbbing 😖, COCKtrymen 🫡🪖to spread 🙌🏻 freeDOM 🪢to your tight 😫, slimey 😽💧little cave🪨. Send this to 0️⃣ patriots 😔 and you’ll go down somewhere 🚜 in Pennsylvania 🌾 Send this to 9️⃣ patriots and he’ll blast 🧨your pentagon 👨🏻✈️🔥 Send this to 1️⃣1️⃣ patriots and you’ll get BOTH ⚔️ twin towers 🏢🏢tonight 😳😏
(edit: c words removed) :::
Beautiful thank you
poetryraising our flags 🇺🇸, TITS 🍒
I love those they always crack me the fuck up
Ain't no way that's real lmao why are her eyes so disproportionately big?
anime eyes lookin
I think someone here or on twitter found this a few years ago and scanned em all in
Fuck it, I'm saying it dude
Like the few soldiers who got tortured in Vietnam, 9/11 is an incredibly small price to pay in exchange for all the war crimes, destabilization, and brutalization that occurred before and after the attacks.
My day is gonna be fun. Someone in my group chat with “friends” will post unironic comments about 9/11. I’ll link to Blowback season one and beg everyone to just listen to the first ep at least. Which no one will do, and I’m gonna get read the RIOT Act by a couple of these people for “disrespecting what happened that day” and “politicizing it”
Shame on you for making a terrorist attack political.
Wait, how is the coup of 9/11/73 not political?
Wouldn't Blowback S4 be better? Though I guess it takes several eps to get to 9/11.
I remember for so many years in middle and high school we would have to go outside to the flag pole and all have a silent moment to commemorate it
9/11 Clothing I Found Whilst Look At Social Media
this is a sweatshirt I have
I am converting to capitalism so I can buy one of those
rocking up to jfk airport wearing 1&2 and seeing how long it takes me to get shot
Fucking hell that "collage I guess" one
It looks like the cover of a quickly made bootleg NES game that's a romhack of Contra
Lmao
Bush looking real airbrushed in that shirt, love it.
Dammit now I need to make room in my closet
It's now officially 2AM on 9/11 my time. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
If you see a lib, tag me and I'll wreck 'em. I expect a few here.
Pee pee and poo poo
Why are you in my time zone. I'm supposed to get the only one
Deal with it, it's a big time zone
the "janitors in the building" - all salt-of-the-earth anti-imperialists I'm sure - are such a patsoc chestnut. if america deserved 9/11 then americans deserved 9/11, period.
imo it seems like a lot of american leftists are just nervous about them and their lib friends being held to account by the rest of the world starting to sharpen its pitchforks
I prefer james connolly's vibe
Let us say that we are sick of the canting talk of those who tell us that we must not blame the British people for the crimes of their rulers against Ireland. We do blame them.
The real tragedy of 9/11 in the US is that it isn't 7/11 again. The treats must flow
Gonna post the “limp bizkit did 9/11” rant by Matt Christmas later
Keeping the auto correct
You should rather post the "Redlettermedia watches 9/11" videos.
we have FUCKING PRONOUNS
thanks to nine eleven"Back in the old days, pronouns didn't exist, so people had to repeat the nouns all the time"
I love 9/11 memes
Charles Barkley did 9/11 as a distraction because Michael Jordan was making his big NBA comeback on 9/11/01.
Barkley did The Chaos Dunk
Finally the day I was named after
A plane for every building in the great satan, death to america
Imagine being the terrorist in the PA plane. You 3 coworkers absolutely nailed their assignments, but you failed.
We are all mujahideen on this blessed day
open 17 hour old 9/11 megathread
ctrl + f "Gori Njujork"
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This the only 100+ comment thread I read all of.
911 rp lets go
My favorite Gmod gamemode
Looks up from newspaper
Oh my Goooooddddddddddd!!!!!!!
Wait, I haven't got my commissioned artwork for my 9/11sona yet!
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Revelation 18;23: "(...)
For your merchants were the great ones of the earth,
because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.”
24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth
That chapter is a goldmine for US-bashing
Hulk Holgan laying the smackdown on the towers with a chair is one of my fav meme pictures ngl
The obly thinf od value lost in 9/11 were the millenium furbies, inshallah rest in peace furby co.rades :furby:
In remembrance of the Ukraine War cut, I present this
How many of you are actually happy that people died? I think the memes are funny and I also agree with everything about the US and what it does to people around the world, but my outlook on the world isn't such that I'm glad when someone "evens the score".
How many of you are actually happy that people died?
I think it's worth correcting this. The people of the WTC were not just random innocent people. The tenants list of the towers was:
WTC1(North)
Port Authority of New York and New Jersey - Randos
Marsh & McLennan Companies - Huge finance capitalist firm
Bank of America
Cantor Fitzgerald - Huge finance capitalist firm
Dai-Ichi Kangyo Group - A japanese Keiretsu (monopoly group) (more bastards)
Sidley Austin Brown & Wood - Law firm, primarily serving finance capitalists
Restaurant "Windows on the World" - Randos
WTC2(South)
Verizon - Randos
New York Stock Exchange - Finance capitalists
Morgan Stanley - Finance capitalists
Xerox Corporation - Randos
Keefe, Bruyette & Woods - Finance capitalists
Aon Corporation - Finance capitalist advisory firm
Fiduciary Trust Company International - Finance capitalists
WTC7
Salomon Smith Barney - Finance capitalists
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission - Finance capitalist regulator
Standard Chartered Bank - Finance capitalists
U.S. Secret Service - Ghouls
My point here is that these were not random innocents that were attacked. This was a direct and targeted attack on the bourgeoisie. This was targeted directly at the ruling class of america and the response that occurred posing it as an "attack on america" was because the bourgeoisie consider themselves to be america and that any attack on them is an attack on the nation. Had this been a bombing against randos it would have been largely ignored, as you see with most bombings of random shopping centres etc. It was because it was an attack on the ruling class that it created such an extensive response from them.
95-97% of the people in a typical high finance office are working class or PMC people. The reason why finance is so lucrative is because it concentrated wealth so effectively. I know this because I was an IT guy in a very very high finance firm a long time ago - the vast majority of people are paper pushing schmucks and excel/PowerPoint contortionists and, like, 3-4 guys are partners or whatever and take the dough. And most of the times they're going to be at home or on a trip sipping martinis, possibly with clients. Another 4-12 people are going to be sharing a bit of the profits in exchange for overworking the rabble. It's a bit different nowadays since the quantitative finance people took over a lot of it and they only employ people that could work in tech but yeah traditional finance is mostly a PMC trap. The bourgeoisie is too smart to spend their life in a cubicle. At most there would maybe be the replaceable CEO.
so everyone deserved 911
A direct and targeted attack? It terrified millions of working class NYCers what are you talking about? The majority of the people who actually made up the workforce of those firms wouldn't be bourgeois - someone who's job it was to copy data or answer the phone for the head honcho.
The ash cloud and debris field was damaging to a hell of a lot more than just a handful of rich people who you think deserved it (even if you support lining them up against a wall, I feel like that's different because it would come as part of a broader revolution and not be the outcome of an isolated terrorist attack).
Most attacks on malls don't kill upwards of 3000 people at once. Heck, some malls can't even hold that many inside them.
The people who died didn’t deserve to die but America deserved 9/11 does this make sense?
Also if you were going to pick a target with the highest percentage of people I don't feel bad about a skyscraper full of finance ghouls is a pretty good starting point.
Obviously feel bad about all the working class people required for those assholes to have cocaine and gin lunches bit I would say it is, on average, less tragic than most ways 3000 people could die.
All the planes should have hit the pentagon
It was a terrorist attack on civilians. That's a tragedy no matter the surrounding context.
The surrounding context can give a different perspective on a tragedy, though. In the context of nurturing the conditions that produced 9/11, creating a civic religion around it, doing horrific war crimes as a response for the past 20 years, and then sweeping under the rug that month during the pandemic where we had a 9/11 every day, I find that humor is the best way to communicate "shit's crazy, man."
See also: school shootings, suicide.
I don't think it's correct or good to accept the idea that the people there were innocents. Some were certainly, but the target was chosen because it was filled with the absolutely NOT innocent american bourgeoisie. Not just because it was a tall building.
It sucks that some average working class people died that day and in the aftermath years later thanks to the toxic asbestos that capitalists installed on those buildings. My condolences goes out to those people, they didn't deserve that, they were caught in the middle of the empire's blowback.
The people that died on 9/11 were victims of US imperialism and it is a tragedy that they died. However 9/11 isn't about remembering the people that died, it's about the wound to America's pride created by the massive spectacle of the twin towers going down on national television. If America gave a shit about people dying we would have have a national day of mourning for Covid every year for at least the next 20 years, there were weeks when America had a 9/11 worth of people dying every single day. They don't matter because those people were dying in a hospital bed and there wasn't a spectacular wound to America's pride.
On the other hand, the people who worked in the CIA and the Pentagon were working directly to advance US imperialism and thus did deserve to get killed.
However 9/11 isn't about remembering the people that died, it's about the wound to America's pride created by the massive spectacle of the twin towers going down on national television.
I still don't see why this is cause to act, even if ironically, happy about 3000 dead people. "America deserved 9/11," taken on its own and without additional context, sounds to me like it's saying that every one of those dead people deserved to die solely because they were within US borders at the time (because I think this is getting lost on many people, hundreds of the deaths weren't American).
Like, I find the way 9/11 is reified in our culture to be wrong, insulting even, to the memory of those who actually died in the attack. I think that a lot of the reaction to it from leftists though demonstrates the similar levels of ignorance. The Right wing wants framing of 9/11 to be "America vs. The Terrorists", but that ignores that the most immediate response from every country was to condemn the attacks and express support. It also reinforces their implicit definition of who an "American" is, when people talk about how the ensuing Islamophobia showed what America really was, by equating being born in the United States with being anti-Muslim, which I feel erases all the native-born Muslims in the US that have been here for years and generations.
Likewise, people here are acting like all 3k who died were all white investment bankers or venture capitalists and that the legacy "proves" how a nation of 300+ million people all uniformly out for the blood of Arabs.
That also ignores that there actually were lots of Americans who spoke against the fervor sweeping the country. Musicians used their platforms to criticize how the Bush Admin was using the tragedy. Comedians and talk show hosts lost their sponsors and backers. I was literally brought to an anti-war picket line as a kindergartener in '03 so that my mom would have enough evidence for me to be a conscientious objector in 20 years
Like, considering how many people in this thread are also probably American themselves, it's silly at best and counterproductive at worst to make "America deserved 9/11" anyone's actual public opinion.
What do you call 2,000 dead businessmen? A good start.
More like a handful of businessmen and then hundreds of hourly wage employees sitting in front of computers or cleaning bathrooms and having no involvement in the operations of capital.
Did you forget that 1 wealthy person relies on the work of dozens to hundreds of proles? Or did you think they somehow didn't work in the WTC
If we were happy or not, why does that even matter? It doesn't change anything, we didn't contribute to it and America caused it through their foreign policy choices. Seems like kind of a pointless line of inquiry.
Only around 2-3k people died there, compared to millions from covid or millions we killed in Iraq and Syria, or tens of thousands dead annually in the US from lack of healthcare. Nobody freaks the fuck out and demands memorials for those deaths, so why are they deemed so much less important? Because it's not actually about the deaths, that's a smokescreen. It's about the wound to America's collective national ego, its self conception as untouchable master of the universe. That is the actual casualty of 9/11 that people mourn and cry about. Oh, and as another user pointed out, many of those 2-3k dead were cops and finance ghouls so of course we have to worship their sacrifice or whatever because Americans are bootlickers
I don't believe or agree with a perspective that treats human death like a numbers competition to see what the "real" or "actual" tragedy pr casualty is.
What is the threshold of human casualties that warrants public mourning? Why do you have to seperate out the ones who 'deserved' it in some way from the other people in that 3000 who were just IT workers, janitors, receptionists, etc?
Why should the tragedies of COVID or the millions of deaths in the war on terror cancel out the deaths of the people in the WTC?
Call me a simple person but I see or know about a traumatic experience being thrust upon bystanders and innocents, I am saddened. I don't start running some sort of mental calculus about how many people died vs other tragedies, or how the tragedy is being exploited in order to dismiss carnage.
In the real world, 9/11 lead to outpouring of sympathy in the short term. Iran and North Korea both condemned the attack. The US took that goodwill and spat in its face. If anything, that should be viewed as discrepctful to the citizens of several countries who died in the attack that their loss was used to justify the War on Terror.
It's pretty tragic for sure but what the usa did (and continues to do) afterwards is so fucking abhorrently evil and fucked up that I find it hard to care. It wasn't treated as a tragedy, it was another reason for imperialism with pretty much full support from everyone in the country. It just makes it really hard even give a small shit and it showed clearly how deeply unwell Americans are.
I get the US for what they deserved, but a lot of working class people died for the errors of the imperial military complex
Just remembering these Israeli guys (Definitely not Mossad!) who were arrested after the towers collapsed. From 2002: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
We need to FOIA these recordings.
Is there anything to this story? Coincidence? I always see the not-mossad Israeli guys as the smoking gun usually anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy heads point to.
Jet memes don’t smelt 9/11 dreams
I almost forgot this very special sicko holiday
We are ALL Building 7 on this blessed day
Can we celebrate the anniversary by doing round 2 in the Pentagon (in
🎶 9/11 9/11 what went down with building seven 🎶
Remembering this ancient americans clapping video right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy_MtgvoL5w
Did people think it was an accident before the 2nd plane
Like "wow this pilot must have been sleepy"
BAKE UP WEEDPLE
9/11 Part 2: Judgement Day
good post!
https://hexbear.net/comment/3935112
3 year throwback post about Osama bin Ladin and 7/11
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2900 wasn't enough
Better than nothing
A song to remember this tragic day https://youtu.be/bMq1PiUbf-M?feature=shared
Smh, can't believe nobody's posted Legos 911 yet. This website's full of children.
This is the greatest AMV I've ever watched.
Hey PNAC, how's that new american century working out?
https://youtu.be/29hpupss4mI?feature=shared best 9/11 song
Russia sucks right now, but if you think they are in anyway responsible for even a minuscule fraction of the bloodshed that the US has spilled all over the world, then your brain has been utterly broken by western news coverage of the Ukraine war.
As for China? What the fuck? China hasn't been at war in decades. The only way you could possibly believe China is comparable to the US is if you've hooked yourself up to an IV drip of state department atrocity propaganda. Either that or you're just a fucking racist.
It's baffling that you libs expect us to believe you when you claim to hate the US while you simultaneously uncritically parrot everything the US says about its state enemies.
The only way you could possibly believe China is comparable to the US is if you've hooked yourself up to an IV drip of state department atrocity propaganda.
What's really funny is that even if you believe the worst plausible narrative about China -- that in response to the same religious extremism that birthed 9/11, they detained millions of people and even did horrible things to many of them -- it doesn't even come close to the brutality of the U.S. response.
Muh both sides
Lmao top tier emoji
Why China?
Because SeeSeePee bad
shut the fuck up liberal
Death to America
Keep China out of your filthy mouth.
Wtf is your problem with China
I'm gonna add death to all modern nationstates and then the organised rise of a true socialist society? Maybe a bit idealist for means but I'm in.
I often forget that the world trade center is a few blocks from wall street