Has there ever been a Lib who wandered in here and made actually good arguments or at least tried to actually back up their claims?

I feel like I've actually encountered some Libs IRL and in other online spaces who at least sounded more intelligent. Every one that wanders in here just insists that their right, cites Wikipedia, and tries to troll people like a 14 year old who stole their moms laptop.

You think we'd occasionally get a somewhat more articulate one there but I've yet yo see it.

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I've seen an hexbear user take the maximalist "stalin and soviet union did nothing wrong" stance and get lectured by an actual soviet historian but that was on another server. Smart people don't go looking for fights online.
- You don't have to be a liberal to suggest to a comrade that "Stalin did some things wrong"
  
  inb4 "stopped at Berlin" etcc
  
  That wasn't the criticism. It was closer to a left-comm criticizing the Bolshevik's for betraying the revolution, ie Kronstadt etc.
- Smart people don't go looking for fights online.
  
  I feel called out.
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- Endless tagline generator
  
  Put them in a scrolling feed in the sidebar
- Can we bring back the lil counter at the bottom of the page while we're at it
  
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- When you get banned or have a comment removed you should automatically get DMed a Feedback form. "Sorry to see you go! Tell us how we did!"
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- They could have articulated that better than just spamming "power dynamics" at people constantly.
  
  Also the more I looked into it the more I was convinced they were a Destiny fan doing a bit.
  
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- I'm still surprised power dynamics is what stuck the most when "do you disagree?" was right there
  
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- Are they the "soulist" one or am I thinking of someone else?
  
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The liberals that come here are specifically redditors, so they're all idiots
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  Yeah, like Tom Morello
  
  Tangential, but this website was unusable for a second during the whole GME spectacle.
  
  Remember when people here said AI art was proletarianizing art by taking it from the """bourgeois""" artist class and putting it in the hands of the working class?
  
  One of the early Bitcoin arguments was that it would help marginalized people in the global south who were cut off from traditional banking.
  
  Fast forward to fairly recently, when some people in Palestine are using crypto to receive aid, Binance cut off access when Israel asked. No court orders necessary. Turns out crypto is easier to freeze than money in traditional banking.
- Hey! I was a liberal and a redditor who came here and was rehabilitated. Granted I didn't come here to fight
  
  I was a liberal when I went to the subreddit, also not to pick a fight, so don't think I was trying to call out people in your position.
  
  This is genuinely the answer to OP. The intelligent libs didn't stay libs when they got here
I'm sure it's happened, I just can't remember any off hand.
The only example I can remember is on another instance, around a year ago maybe. It was a surprisingly civil conversation between a liberal and some hexbears about the Korean War. The liberal actually knew dates and names of specific documents, knew the names of people on either side, knew stuff about 1950s diplomacy. So i was impressed. There was also a surprising lack of portraying North Korea as a cartoonish dictatorship where haircuts are illegal.

The liberal still used a liberal framework though and was completely wrong. Any bare level scrutiny over the claims would reveal them as imperialist and racist, but it's possibly the only time I saw a liberal around here have at least the bare minimum of a presentable argument.
Some libs can be better than a class reductionist commie. But with some of the posts on this site, you generally don't get the good faith libs. I hear plenty of bad takes here (sometimes I'm the one making them) and it only takes a random lib to wander in and be right once or twice.
Libs IRL

i can believe that, some PMC are very good at their jobs

in other online spaces

nah
- There's a few r/neoliberal power posters who put some effort in and have seemingly done some reading.
  
  non-zero chance they get paid for that lol
yes, but they wouldn't be labelled a lib so this is a logical impossibility.

also, confirmation bias is at play here.
I specifically remember a liberal that posted here having kind of a decent response to an argument I made. I don't even remember what the topic was, but I specifically remember being annoyed by it and feeling a bit b*tched out when a fellow hexbear swooped in to basically cover my ass (but also continue to back me up if I ever show the slightest weakness please).

Broadly though, the liberals that come here are all needlessly butt-hurt people that got super obsessively mad over some shit they saw posted, and essentially come to us pre-cooked in their desperation to "get even" emotionally.

I tend to assume most of the smart liberals are self-assured enough to not really care enough about us to post here.
i think if we'd managed to stay federated with like 90% of the annoying instances we probably would've gotten one or two over the years. unfortunately our posting power was too strong to sail undetected
- One or two, in exchange for hundreds of just the most shit takes that they hear or read from the mainstream media or "common wisdom"
  
  yeah but i like seeing & dunking on the shit takes
The smartest lib I've ever encountered basically copy-pasted the technical definition of production functions and tried to use it as a bludgeon in defense of marginalism, that's it, I've literally never encountered any lib here or on the old sub who ever approached that level of misguided articulation

It's genuinely hilarious how badly miseducated libs on lemmy are, I've yet to see a single one give a convincing definition of the main terms we use, let alone back up their supposedly grounded opposition to our ideologies, they can't even define their own ideology
Yes, @FunkyStuff@hexbear.net
I feel like we always get ones that are impossibly embarrassingly smug, like to the point where if they said the sky was blue I'd avoid mentioning my opinions on the sky's colour to avoid association
I have yet to see anything more sophisticated than "the other guy is worse, though"
The girl reading this
like a 14 year old who stole their moms laptop

I mean
No, never have, never will. Our Chewbacca is too strong.
Ita me im the libwral, ama
Not liberal, but left Libertarian here. I prefer having civil discussions about these topics because there might be misinformation on one side or the other, and you can't convince people to change their information when you're being uncivilized. However, the experiences I've had in the past is when I do try to have a convo about it, I get bashed, insulted, and belittled to eternity. So when that happens I become a smartass myself. Granted that hasn't happened here yet
- Fresh slop for the hogs, still warm!
  
  Edit: cold
  
  Already crying about it:
  
  https://lemm.ee/post/41580412
  
  Aw shit what'd they say I missed it before the mods took it down!
  
  Haha. Well hey there. I'm glad you're thinking about me. How are you since yesterday?
the mental gymnastics conservative animals have to do to think this is almost impressive
- Can you clarify who you believe are the conservative animals in this situation
- This isn't reddit anymore. We're neither libs nor hogs. Please continue dehumanizing people that hold virtually the same opinions to you though.
  
  We’re neither libs nor hogs.
  
  Objection, your honor. I present to you Exhibit A:
- What?

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