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What are the biggest red flags when talking with a Trek "fan"?

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The Cage is peak trek
Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek
- You better be referring to the original broadcast recorded to magnetic tape and not the abomination that is the DVD release
  
  What about the option of the original black and white recording of ‘The Cage’ with the colour portions from ‘The Menagerie’ spliced in, as released to videotape in thr 80s?
  That was the real Star Trek. Roddenberry even took it to cons in the 70s and 80s to let fans know what he really wanted to put on the air.

You're fooling yourself if you don't want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best Trek series of the last 25 years is Orville ffs
- I'd give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it's definitely the exception to the rule.
  
  Fair, Strange New Worlds is great
- Fuckin-A roit, mate!
- LOL I had a whole reply typed out before I realized this was sarcasm. A+ example of a red flag.
  
  You're so threatened by people who like different TV shows than you that you have to pretend their opinions aren't serious?

I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
- Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise
  boo
- I used to think Chris Pine Kirk was better than Shatner. I now kind of feel like Pine’s the best Captain, but SNW Kirk’s the best gentlemanly lady killer kirk.
- I'd argue they are better than anything after The Undiscovered Country. But yeah otherwise I agree, 2009 is one of my top trek films, and I'd rather watch it over any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry.
- Largely agree, with a couple exceptions: Undiscovered Country and First Contact are good; Into Darkness is bad.

I've taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it's time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: "the medium is the message"
- Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we're at it: TAS
  
  Echoes, like when a wave hits something else and creates some dissonance.

If it doesn't have 20+ episode seasons it's nutrek
- NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
- So season one of DS9 and voyager?
  
  DS9 Season 1 is 20 episodes? The way I read "20+" is 20 or more...
- How many episodes has TAS?

I don't really like any Trek past DS9 Don't hate me
- This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there's yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
  
  Biggest red flag in the entire thread. You win.
- VOY and ENT are good
  
  Never liked VOY, writing is poor.... Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9...
  The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.
  SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series' development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark... Monk Worf was cool tho.
- As long as you don't take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don't like a tv show then we're cool
  
  "You are allowed to have your opinion so long as you don't share it"

What's the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?
- Teal'c.

Nu Trek is, to me, just the kelvin shit. The new shows on CBS are legit, especially lower decks.

maybe I've consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can't help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
- I hadn't watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like "that's not how space works!", then remembered that's the thing with Star Trek.
  
  You got to remember that Star Trek is based upon submarines warfare.
  
  I mean, once your have artificial gravity... why wouldn't it suck just like normal gravity?
  People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the "down is this way" machine.
- solidly mid

What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
- Creative fun in-universe answers are always:
- I would say "I've got faith of the heart"

Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.

I like NuMetal tbh

Both panels are acceptable and objectively correct.

I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it's a reboot.
- NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
  Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren't even fans of the show!
  
  Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
  Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn't care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
  
  completely changing the look of the Klingons
  You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
- "Nu" does not mean "New".
  
  It actually does. At least in this context.

Broke: Discovery is NuTrek
Woke: Voyager is NuTrek
Bespoke: TNG is NuTrek

I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.

I didn't really like TOS (except the movies, those were great) was a big TNG fan (not the movies though, didn't like those), I loved DS9, I was okay with Voyager and basically did not care for anything after, except maybe Lower Decks? Haven't seen SNW yet, will give it a try.
But all of that is just like, my opinion man, you go watch whatever gives you the good feels, I'll not police your opinion.
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!🚩
- Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!
  I was baffled about why their appearance was changed (again), but really hated the insistence on subs. I understand when I'm watching a movie and there is a scene in France that the characters are not actually speaking English with a French accent, it is translated for me for ease of viewing.
  I like to have the option of doing things in the background when watching TV (Tidying up, making food, grinding something in a game, etc) and the insistence on using subs means the least interesting part of the show demanded my full attention.
  
  Then just learn tlhIngan Hol?

Oh no, it doesnt mean New Trek. I have comments to go edit.

One, you mean e.g., not i.e.
Two, that's super not what nu-metal was about. It was extremely targeted to an audience of edgelord teenagers.
- This response is a beige flag for me
  
  That's fair.

There's NuTrek and there's new trek, one is bad and one is after your favorite series. It's a rectangles and squares situation

Why is so much of memes nowadays just people claiming to be better then everyone else? I had assumed the trek fans were less of snobs than this. Not only does this insult fellow trek fans but metal fans in the process. If this community is the only thing holding lemmy togther, i guess i don't need to be on the internet anymore.
- "Nowadays" ? Boy let me tell you of the proto-memes in the days of the early internet.
  Tl;dr: Everybody be snarky since forever.
- this meme is making fun of snobs?

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