3-year-old accidentally shoots, kills 1-year-old sibling after getting ahold of unsecured handgun: SDSO

That wouldn't have happened if the 1-year-old had a gun 🤔
- Or if the family lived almost anywhere else in the world.
- You saying this in this scenario is the reason why we're so divided. You try to pervert fair arguments and make them seem absurd.
  These are not the issues the democrats are targeting in wanting to solve when they want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
  If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?
  
  I don't hear a lot about 3-year-olds stabbing 1-year-olds. I do hear a lot about toddlers getting guns and shooting other kids...
  
  want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
  I say F the 2nd. And it was gun rights advocates who radicalized me, not Democrats.
  
  Whats the "fair argument"? You need more guns to prevent more shootings? Do you realise how dumb this is?

lock the parents up and get that kid some lifelong counseling.
as a gun owner... I find not locking up your weapons abhorrent.
- as a non American I find owning guns abhorrent but to each their own
  
  As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.
  
  As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor... They're abhorrent. There's no good that comes from a gun.
  
  There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don't have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They're very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they're there.
  The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don't see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you'd want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.
- Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn't have happened.
- But how can i enjoy my right to bear arms if my weapons are locked up
- 3 year olds can't even reliably communicate that they hey have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year oldss often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that's the period they defy you.
  Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing qt least once? Because it's basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.
  
  Either lock them up or teach gun safety.
  Responsible firearm owners are doing both of those.

To the rest of the world, this would be an exceedingly rare headline.
For Americans, it is just any other Tuesday.

American solution: put the 3yo in prison for forced labour and arm all 1 year olds so they can defend themselves.
- Gun manufacturers: heavy breathing
  
  Use the 3 year olds in prison to make the guns for the 1 year olds to arm themselves! Fuckin bang two for one.
  
  Not really
- Then send thoughts and prayers when it happens over and over again. We've done nothing to fix the problem and there's nothing we can do about it!

the 2 common culprits in all these horrible stories are: 1) human stupidity 2) gun proliferation. solving the first would require eugenism. solving the second is a big american no-no. So don’t call it horrible, just live with it. It’s just a normal by-product of american culture.
- IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no, so we’re back to square one.
  
  Yeah, I'm not sure eugenics is ever the answer
  Wtf?
  
  IMHO solving 1 needed educations, but that’s also a big American no-no
  No it's not. For all of their ills, stupidity, nonsense, fraud, and extremely questionable decisions the NRA does run education campaigns with their "Eddie Eagle" program. A big problem is that it has been kicked out of schools, especially schools in Blue States, so they're unable to reach one of the audiences that need it the most.
  It's like Red States kicking Sex Education out of schools and being shocked at teen pregnancies. Education works far better than restriction. Always.
- Why would the gin be loaded. At the very least the gun and the ammo should be separated.
  
  You are 100% correct but that loops is back to #1.
  
  Not if your concerned about personal safety. I don't live in the best neighborhood. So the time to slide in 12ga rounds might cost me my life.
  https://youtu.be/AItWcBU-NEA?t=238
  All my others are in safes and the ammo is not easily accessible.
  
  Separating ammo isn't actually securing the firearm though. Loaded or unloaded it should still be property secured. And you can safely store a fire loaded if the firearm is actually in some kind of safe. The parents were simply negligent.
  
  Most gun safety in America is optional.
  
  The better question is why was a handgun needed? People shouldn't buy deadly weapons for fun.
- Solving the first would require the end of human existence. You can't breed out stupidity, eugenics doesn't solve anything.

It's not immediately clear if any parents were in the home at the time of the shooting.
I guess it tracks that if they left a toddler and a baby in the house alone, they'd also be irresponsible enough to leave a weapon just sitting out unsecured and loaded. What a tragedy.

The only way to stop a bad baby with a gun is a good baby with a gun.

Sending yet more thoughts and prayers /s.
- Sounds like the owner needs to be charged. Unfortunately they rarely are.
  
  This is California. We are required by law to lock away our firearms and have safety locks on them. I hope the parents get fucked so hard, shit will be pushed out of their mouths. They are fuckin idiots.

Clearly we need to arm 1 year olds so they can defend themselves

"As of July 12, there have been at least 217 unintentional shootings by children, which have resulted in 76 deaths and 149 injuries so far in 2023, according to a count by the gun control nonprofit Everytown for Gun Safety"

Trigger locks are not hard to get and are inexpensive.
I'm iffy on more gun control, but if there is something I'd want to do, it'd be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
- Reputable gun shops provide them free of charge w/ every sale.
  /gun collector
- The average American is too dumb to own guns and I say this from a household with several guns. Seriously would rather not have them if that means idiots and the mentally unstable don't either.
  
  as an American I barely trust myself around knives
  
  Spot on. Pretty much the only reason I carry. Never know when some d bag is going to start blasting the local grocery store.
  
  Such a rare opinion to see today.
  
  Who is smart enough to own guns then? Solely the government?
- ...it’d be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
  Pretty much is in the State of California. This is yet another instance of someone not following the basic god damned rules of firearm safety.
  
  You can only do so much to encourage gun safety, but when you get to this point I think it's only fitting to charge the gun owner with a felony and forbid them from ever owning a firearm again.
- Every gun I've bought came with a cable lock. They are a waste though as would be a required trigger lock. I prefer different and more reliable storage methods.
  And just because something came in the box doesn't mean it is going to be used correctly. Especially if someone doesn't like that way of securing a firearm. A better way is probably just some PSAs and tax breaks for security/storage devices to encourage proper storage. If there are going to be these things in every box give me a way to return them or something.
- With a 3 year old, even just emptying the gun would have been effective. Or putting it in heights
- I'm pretty sure that's already a law.
- Shit when I bought my pistol it friggin came WITH a trigger lock.

Fuck this is depressing.
This kid is gonna be fucked up the rest of his/her life.