"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"
A phrase spoken only by fascists
For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence
Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...
Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.
From a forign perspective it might as well fit both.
Fuck off with this absolute bullshit
Well said.
Yes that party is the Democrats -- Absolute morons, I mean just real dumb fuckers
Yeah the Democrats, with their, uhh, ultra-nationalism? Strict social hierarchies? Far right-wing ideology? Uhhhhhhh
I'm not saying you're intentionally ignorant and I know this is a lot of words to read, but...
For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing,
Which party has more objectively conservative views?
ultra-nationalist,
Which party literally has a group called the Proud Boys? Which party tends to manipulate the American flag for all their causes i.e. Thin blue line? Which party thinks America is strictly for Americans and anyone outside our borders is somehow undesirable?
centralized autocracy,
Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat.
Which party idolizes their leader, flies flags with his name on it, wears his slogan on their clothes? Which party seems to think that anything their leader says is the truth, anyone who disagrees is a liar (fake news, alternative facts)? Which party literally tried to force their leader into power despite losing the election.
belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy,
Which party keeps reducing and eliminating social benefits because if you're of a lower economic status, you somehow deserve less? Suggesting that the minimum wage shouldn't be increased? And conversely, which party seems to think that billionaires deserve to have that money because they're somehow smarter or work harder?
and politically motivated threats of physical violence
Which party had a noose hanging outside the capitol on January 6th?
Antifascism isn't fascism, but Antifa, in a lot of public outings (where presumably only a minority of people go) behaves very fascist.
Philosopher Karl Popper described the paradox of tolerance as the seemingly counterintuitive idea that “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” Essentially, if a so-called tolerant society permits the existence of intolerant philosophies, it is no longer tolerant.
TL;DR punch a nazi
Love this. Down with fascism!
I too remember in the history books when all the countries banded together holding flowers politely asking the Nazis to stop invading and massacring them.
Neville Chamberlain, and his appeasement policy. It was about as effective as you'd imagine.
Chamberlain gets a lot of shit, but he was also responsible for massively ramping up the production of fighter planes, which is the only reason why England survived the Battle of Britain.
Hitler lost at the market place of ideas.
Fact.
Fascism is when you commit violence against fascism. Which is bad because fascism isn't violent. Wait a minute...
"All political violence = fascism" 🤡
how we defeated fascism
I must admit I read "defederated".
If only it was that easy.
The "Free Market of Ideas" is just "Heads I win, Tails you lose" by another name
I will defeat fascism in the Marketplace of Ideas... after I defeat them on planet fucking earth, that is.
To be fair, there was also this raping and marauding red army led by one of the biggest assholes of modern history west allied with.
That said beating fash of any flavor is always self defense.
Baseball really does bring people together but I'd bring a gun in case things go south young Padawan
Should be an assault rifle.
God knows the fascists will have em
I don't buy it. There is a really big difference between a nation fighting an existential war with a military, and performative, mostly nonlethal, vigilante political violence. The latter is useful to fascists for obvious reasons; the experience of violence is at the core of their ideology, they have a clear path for using the trauma for hazing and indoctrination, it attracts attention, it attracts potential sympathy for the same reason it may serve the goals of nonviolent protestors to have violence seen being done to them in the course of their protest.
Trying to engage with them this way seems like it would clearly advance their goals more than it would harm them. How could it do otherwise? Do people think activists respond to light beatings by becoming dissuaded from their activism? I feel like this kind of messaging is pushed either by fascists themselves or by people with goals aligned with fascists, like involving more people in violence and bringing the overall political climate closer to a civil war situation.
Unfortunately, nothing is ever enough for fascists. You can be as peaceful with them as possible and they'll still try to kill you. We had a democratic election in the US in 2020 and when the fascists lost they tried to do a violent coup. How much more peaceful can we be? It's really unfortunate but I think the reality is that fascists only understand power and violence and ultimately you need to throw that all back at them as hard as you can and send them into hiding. The minorities the fash hate will be targeted by them and violence WILL happen against them even if you protest them as peacefully and legally as possible. Minorities deserve to live in peace and security without "paying the cost" of keeping things civil.
fascists only understand power and violence
Maybe, but the question is how do they understand it? You hit one of those people, how do they interpret and react to that? I don't think it's the way you would want them to. I think there is a threshhold for the level of violence at which terrorism actually works, and that threshhold is way past the point where things get really fucking dark. So you either go there, or you look for better options with fewer side effects, because in this case I think low level violence is clearly going to advance their cause rather than harm it. As for what those other options might be, I don't exactly know, I'm not saying they have to be nice or polite or peaceful, just thought through a little better than advocating casual brawls.
It's just a meme
Oops accidentally ascribing the urge to do violence to Nazis as political rather than moral is telling.
What? When you're punching someone for their shitty political views that beget violence, it's both.
"No. Because then I would be the same as you."
Just like how dropping little boy on Hiroshima ended fascism in imperial Japan am I right? Big stick is always justified when it comes to fascism
