Bulletins and News Discussion from November 6th to November 12th, 2023 - Apartheid Antony's Asinine Adventure

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.
Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….
Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.
Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”
This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.

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Can someone explain why every leftist (online and on the streets) seems to support PFLP but not DFLP? Did DFLP do something bad, or is it that DFLP just isn't doing enough in their eyes? DFLP is also part of the Democratic Alliance List with PFLP, supports a one-state solution, and the Omar Al-Qasim Forces (their militant wing) have been active alongside the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades (PFLP's militant wing) in storming IDF watchtowers and fighting the IOF. And the DFLP doesn't have any recent history of massacres at synagogues or killing teenagers... Yet I never hear any support for them, see their flags at marches, etc.
Also, noting PSL being accused of opportunism yesterday, can someone explain the beef between PSL and FRSO? Is it ideological or just personal drama?
I am pretty plugged out so please forgive me if these questions sound like attacks.
- My understanding of PSL/FRSO is that both these orgs have near identical lines on almost everything despite reaching them independently and coming respectively from different ideological sects.
  I suspect that beef between them is mostly caused because they're stepping on each other's toes and being so close in party lines just makes their overlap into competitive drama. That's an outside perspective though and I don't know anything about this specific incident.
- My basic understanding would be that the dflp is more obscure. Idk
  
  I mean, PFLP is also extremely obscure as it is. With the amount of support I see for them online and in protests, I would assume them to be a significant political force in Palestine, when in reality their largest voter turnout in electoral history was 4%. Third Way is arguably the only other political party besides Hamas and Fatah that ever had any sort of political influence, as they are the only other party to have members serve as Prime Minister (Salam Fayyad) or Minister of Finance or Education (Hanan Ashrawi).
  
  PFLP is also extremely obscure as it is
  The ideological wing of the PFLP is extremely popular, at least it was back in its heyday. Ghassan Kanafani and Naji al Ali are both popular in the middle east. But I think the party affiliation gets lost during those discussions where their names get brought up.
- As a PSL member the level of discussion about FRSO in the party is basically none at all. They're very small.
- Wasn't the DFLP created by Arafat (or heavily supported by him) to weaken the PFLP against Fatah? I remember hearing that on some palestine podcast, and it tracks with the "maoist anti-ussr splinter group created to attack pro-soviet party" trend at the time.
  
  I'm skeptical of that claim because DFLP originally had a much larger presence in Palestine than PFLP did (during the 1996 general elections, DFLP won 10.18% of the vote against Arafat, whereas PFLP was not on the ballot). The idea that it exists solely to weaken the leftist movement in Palestine also doesn't make sense when they have previously formed coalitions with the other smaller leftist parties -- including the Palestinian Communist Party (PPP) and the Democratic Union (FIDA) -- via The Alternative, and were set to form a coalition with PFLP called the Democratic Alliance List in the cancelled 2016 election.
  I'm not sure where "anti-USSR" comes from, either -- both PFLP and DFLP received considerable support from the Soviet Union and PRC and both presently operate out of Damascus under the protection of Assad. They were and are mostly the same people, DFLP just didn't support committing aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings outside of Israel early on and now doesn't support suicide bombings anywhere.
  
  I could be mixing up names, thanks for the info
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