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  • Pro-LGBT

    Pro-NB

    Anti-xe

    Singular 'they' is right there

    • Cringe. Neopronouns are based as fuck, actually.

    • Tbh i'de prefer if a third, more neutral singular pronoun, whether it's "xe" or something else was more common. It's a pain in the ass when i'm referring to someone who uses they/them, or who's gender i don't know, and a group of people.

      "They went with them to the store" there are now two "they/thems" in this sentence, and while this isn't a great example, there are times where it gets really ambiguous and unclear exactly what i'm trying to communicate

      Hell i'd be down for separate singular pronouns for nonbinary people and people who's gender i don't know

      • I mean, but they being used a singular has been a thing outside of people using different pronouns and this issue being pronounced (lol). You can also refer to multiple people and so can the Dutch formal equivalent of "u".

        There's lots of instances of things in language cussing slight confused, but they're usually not hard to overcome.

        Maybe say "they went with that group". Or just the person's name. If I don't know the person, I might make a little description of them, like "oh yeah, the cool person we just met with blue hair".

        Pronouns and generally gendered or gender neutral language like that is a little bit confusing in Dutch (outside the 'traditional' binary genders). It all works a lot nicer in English, but maybe that's because I'm more familiar with everything in English and I speak it more. But in Dutch I'll generally rephrase altogether and avoid it.

        I'm sometimes confused how to fit neopronouns into my grammer. But honestly just doing it and fixing it when messing up seems to work okay. I do like neopronouns. All words are made up, why not make your own?

        • I think the case where i run into issues with singular + plural they the most is if i already said the persons name, so it would be awkward to say it again

          Ultimately not a big deal tho, i just like to complain sometimes

    • Why can't they and xe be used depending on what someone prefers?

      • They can be. I mean, I don't think xe is inherently less legitimate as a word. But I do think it's ugly and unnecessary, as are neopronouns in general. I have similarly pedantic opinions on things like 'irregardless'.

        If someone asked me to use 'xe' I would out of courtesy, but I would much prefer we all come together and agree that the singular they is the best choice for the job.

    • You don't get to decide how other people express themselves, that's kinda like the whole point yknow.

      Edit: If a person tells you that a certain way of referring to them makes them more comfortable than the way you are currently referring to them, and you then choose to ignore that, then you are no better than a transphobe.

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