Elon Musk considers 'DOGE dividend' that would send $5,000 check to all Americans following massive budget cuts

www.dailymail.co.uk Elon Musk considers DOGE dividend that would send $5,000 to Americans

Elon Musk showed interest in an idea that would guarantee a $5,000 payment, or 'DOGE Dividend,' to every American to show off the $55 billion in taxpayer funds saved.

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Elon Musk considers 'DOGE dividend' that would send $5,000 check to all Americans following massive budget cuts

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I know the hard sciences aren't a strong suit around these parts, but do some very basic math. 55 billion divided by 5,000 is 11 million.
There's no way to "No True Scotsman" the number of Americans down to 11 million. So how will they decide who gets the money?
I think we already know...
- Meh, I think they are just throwing out that number or funsies. But to your point, to be more accurate, and if they stuck with head of households $400 to $500 would work. And I'd be fine with that.
  Who knows. But ANY DOGE dividend would be fine with me. Better yet, get rid of all this nonsense and just go flat tax and UBI. I'd be stoked about that more than anything.
  And I'd gladly call Trump "King" if he did that. lmao
  
  And I’d gladly call Trump “King” if he did that
  Careful, you might choke
  . . . oh wait, its too small for that
  
  Right? :)
  
  Flat tax?!?! Don't those burden the poor much more than other taxes?
  
  Not in the models I have seen. I have seen people argue that, but I've also seen people argue against that.
  
  I guess to me it's pretty simple. Poor folks have less disposable income and therefore taxing them is more likely to take from basic needs. Why aggravate poverty? If the owner class doesn't pay its workers enough then we should tax them and support workers with owner class money.
  
  Because in the models I saw and like, basics like food, utilities, housing wouldn't be taxed. So it's more of a consumption tax. Buying shit you don't need. Poor folks don't need the latest phones, latest styles of clothes, latest shoes, the fastest internet, etc.
  People who buy lots of crap, would pay more taxes. Those of us who buy less crap would pay less taxes. Basically rich people would pay way more taxes than non-rich people. That's a simplification, but that's the gist.
  And to be honest, I don't think most of Lemmy has ever been poor. Most of Lemmy are computer programers/nerds who think poor is making $80K a year just out to college--guys, that ain't poor.
  Poor is never even have been to college, and working minimum wage without benefits. And sometimes 2 jobs. And fucking eating beans and rice to fucking live. Or not having a job and being homeless.
  Bitching about having a 4-year computer science degree and not making $100K a year is NOT FUCKING POOR, no matter where you live, guys. Try not having a degree.
  Source: I've been poor. I'm retired now and I still make less than 99 percent of Lemmy. lol
  
  I see, I'll ingore the rant and stay focused. I've heard you rant about that before.
  I don't believe in a natural hierarchy. I think people are incomparable value wise, and therefore I'd like to see everyone as equal as possible. Therefore I think being rich should be one of the most difficult things for a person to maintain. I think things should naturally equalize. An intense progressive tax where the vast majority of wealth over some threshold is taxed would force the rich to actually work for the people.
  Being rich would be a positive status from any angle there because you are giving most of it away.
  
  And I have seen your rants before. The things you want have never happened, and will never happen.
  I'd love to see everyone as equal as possible too. But to think that that you can wish/force the rich to actually work for the people is laughable.
  It's not going to happen. And I think you know it's not going to happen. So I think the best way is to adapt the best we can.
  But you keep wishing for that. Trump won for a reason.
  We ain't Star Trek. We'll never be Star Trek. But that doesn't mean we have to be unhappy.
  
  What made you give up?
  
  I haven't given up at all. I retired at a youngish age, I have a great social life, I have a great gf, I have a great relationship with my children, and a great life in general. I realize the value of dealing with reality.
  I paid off my house, paid off all my debt, and now I do what I want. I don't owe anyone anything, and I can't be canceled or silenced. I'm also fit and healthy. All of this was achieved by working hard, adapting to reality, and working with what I had/have.
  I think life is awesome and I'm having a great time, and I have about 50 more years to have a great time. And hopefully by then, my consciousness can be downloaded into a robot and I can live forever.
  Not even joking! lol :)
  
  I meant specifically: what in your life convinced you that an egalitarian society is impossible? Why have you given up on that idea if you say you want it too?
  
  “Head of household” and “king”. What century do you live in?
  Edit: UBI would be cool though, but conservatives tend to hate the idea of giving away money “for free”. This money is just to allow them to tear down the state and democracy in peace, saving them some time.
  
  “Head of household” and “king”. What century do you live in?
  Do you do your taxes? Head of household term was on this year's tax return. You are not familiar with that term? Do you live in the US and do your own taxes?
  And "king" was a joke.
  
  Yes, I’m not from the US, so please excuse my ignorance, it just sounded so old school patriarchal that I assumed that it was a thing of the past. So a household with a mother and a father, are both of them heads of the household then? And if not, do they have to decide who is?
  
  Ahh, ok. So if you aren't from the US, why are you being so passionate about US politics? I mean, you are totally welcome to do so, but I'm curious about why.
  Head of Household is a filing status for unmarried taxpayers who pay more than half the cost of maintaining a home for themselves and a qualifying dependent. To qualify, the taxpayer must be unmarried or considered unmarried on the last day of the tax year and have a dependent who meets IRS criteria. For married couples, the equivalent of Head of Household is typically Married Filing Jointly (MFJ) if both spouses file together, or Married Filing Separately (MFS) if they file individually. Married Filing Jointly offers the best tax benefits, while Married Filing Separately may be used in specific situations, such as when spouses want to keep tax liabilities separate.
  
  Thanks for the thorough explanation of the us tax forms! 😅
  Well, I care primarily because what US does affects the whole world. Theo world is much more unstable and unsafe since trump took office.
  I also believe in the principle of freedom and democracy and I think it’s sad to see it deteriorate, because I see how it will hurt people. I followed the riots in Hong Kong too as young people tried to fight for their right of self governance, if only for a few more years.
  I guess I’m just interested too! :)
  
  Theo world is much more unstable and unsafe since trump took office.
  No it's not. The fucking world is full of bad people doing bad things. THEY are making the world unstable and unsafe. Other countries can stand up and do shit if they think it's bad.
  I also believe in the principle of freedom and democracy and I think it’s sad to see it deteriorate,
  It's not deteriorating. The majority of American people wanted Trump in office, and they voted him in office. That's democracy. If you don't like it, then handle your shit in your own country the way you want things handled.
  I guess I’m just interested too! :)
  Which is awesome. I applaud that. But just so you know, Lemmy is NOT even close to having the opinions of the majority of Americans. Which is why so many on Lemmy were surprised that Trump won. Lemmy is out of touch with the average american, and most Americans have never even heard of Lemmy. Lemmy is a very very small extremes sample of people who don't really know much about the average American way of life.
  
  Trump is making things unsafe and lying. His lies regarding Ukraine are destabilizing the world, by victim blaming.
  His words are blaming Ukraine for being attacked.
  I could go on, I don't expect to convince you. Other people stumble across your self hatred and mistake it for honest discussion.
  I'm not willing to leave your lies laying undisturbed.
  Trump didn't win a majority of votes. Check your lies again.
  Any forum you encounter is a small slice of society.
  Endless bloviation and vacuous lies from you and your ilk.
  
  Trump is making things unsafe and lying.
  I don't think so. I like him. Even tho I didn't vote for him, I'm loving what he's doing. And I'm loving watching Lemmy freak out about it all.
  I could go on, I don’t expect to convince you.
  Good choice.
  I’m not willing to leave your lies laying undisturbed.
  But I'm not lying about anything. I didn't write the article, friend. Did you write to the publisher of the article and bring up your concerns with them?
  Trump didn’t win a majority of votes.
  He did. He won by both the electoral vote and the public vote. Every major news org, regardless of political leaning, agrees with that. Do you have proof? Please send that proof the news media!
  Endless bloviation and vacuous lies from you and your ilk.
  What have I lied about? I didn't write the article.
  
  As noted, not here to convince you. You're obvious propaganda. I hope your opinion keeps you warm at night.
  A quick check of my statements show numerous articles supporting my statements, including the raw numbers. Trump did NOT win a Majority of votes.
  Here Let me google that for you, since you're having trouble and conflating facts from fiction. Did trump win vote majority what does that mean?
  Since you seem to be ignoring obvious facts, I'll help you find what your dictator fellating seems to have blinded you to.
  https://www.npr.org/2024/12/16/g-s1-38003/trump-mandate-presidents
  You're clearly not here to discuss facts. They don't support your narrative.
  You only have concepts of an idea and vibes regarding facts. You continue to lie about basic numbers, engaging with you only serves to point the clown show out to others.
  Trump didn't win a majority and you're a bald faced liar.
  
  I agree trump was voted in democratically, in a fair election. I’ve only heard trump and his allies imply the election isn’t fair. It’s what trump does to break down the checks and balances which keeps his powers in check. That should be considered a problem by anyone, regardless of political affiliation.
  We do democracy a little different from the US, and have many different parties with slightly different ideals. Contrary to the us system that inadvertently creates a two-party political landscape where only two party ideals can compete.
  I’m very well aware Lenny is generally more left leaning, even for my country’s average citizen.
  
  Contrary to the us system that inadvertently creates a two-party political landscape where only two party ideals can compete.
  Which I oppose and still oppose. I didn't vote for Trump. I actually voted for the Socialis Workers Party.
  And i got banned from instances for advocating third party.
  I'm actually a socialist. I appreciate the chaos Trump is causing though. Because the Democrats refused to do anything of value, and they just made fun of anyone who didn't agree with them. And Democrates hate the idea of third-parties even more than the republicans do.
  I was called a Nazi by Lemmy because I refused to vote for Harris. Even tho I would never vote for Trump either. lol
  
  Yeah let’s hope the chaos will be a catalyst for things to change but I worry people with bad intentions are more prepared to use the situation.
  Do you really believe the chaos is more likely to lead to something good, rather than break down the three-pillar checks and balances the founding fathers lined out? Trump obviously wants more power to the executive branch and has the blessing to ignore the judicial branch of government. And it might be hard to claw back once in the power balance has bern shifted.
  The two party system is obviously flawed, when people choose to vote for some one-size-fits-all compromise instead of one mirroring their political views. Because that’s what is incentivized.
  Lenny is pretty aggressive in its left leaning ideologies and I tend to lean the same way, but I also like to understand the other viewpoint.
  You say you voted socialist, but you post a lot of conservative news. Why is that? Because you want to broaden the Lemmy political spectrum or what?
  
  Fuckin loser monarchist.
  This dude doesn't even live in America lol
  
  I was born here, raised here, have lived here longer than you have been alive, and I've never even left the states.
  So where is it you think I live. Come on, tell us! Where do I live if not in America. I'd love to year your theory.
  You have all these theories about me, but you never tell them. Tell us all of them. It'll be fun!
  
  You're a propaganda fool you don't live in America lol 😂😂
  
  Man, I LOVE it when you pop up. lolol
  But you never tell us your whole theory. So for the people who aren't caught up, tell us where you think I live and what my "mission" is. Please?
  Thanks, friend! :)
  
  Every flat tax is regressive. It's what every billionaire wants.
  
  Nah, if every billionaire wanted a flat tax, we'd have it.

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