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What send more?
- the guy who:
  moved the American embassy to Jerusalem
  has never once uttered the words "cease fire"
  has never lamented any Palestinian deaths at all
  reversed US's position on Israeli settlements in Palestine
  yeah, more.
  
  So just like what is happening now.
  won't hold israel accountable for war crimes
  won't allow UN to step in
  continue to keep aid from going in
  Again how can it get worse for those in Gaza?
  
  If you genuinely don't think a Trump Presidency could make the situation any worse, you have no right to talk over anyone who's actually been paying the miniscule-est amount of attention it would take to know better.
  Signed, a Palestinian American.
  Fuck your privileged ass trying to justify letting us burn.
  
  Try me. How does it get worse than famine, constant bombings, plague, and now polio.
  Ignoring what's happening now doesn't help anything.
  
  America joining in because Trump doesn't think the jews are finishing the job fast enough?
  West Bank being fully annexed and the 200,000 Palestinians who've been able to hold on thus far being deported to Gaza for more bombings or to Jordan where the royal family was already selling them out even before a civil war broke out over it leading to the king's assassination?
  Trump intentionally provoking war in the entire region because his followers are part of a fucking death cult and think it'll cause the biblical battle of Armageddon and make their sky daddy come home?
  Evangelicals convincing Trump to begin a program to settle christians in the region to refound the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem?
  Have you fucking read any of Project 2025, use your damn imagination and odds are they've already come up with even worse and adopted it as official platform policy.
  Get off your soapbox and prevent the greater harm, or quit pretending you have any business calling yourself an ally while being a whiny wilted little cunt ass about how it's everyone else's job to make you want to for your own feel goods.
  
  This guy's read project 2025
  
  Get off your soapbox and prevent the greater harm, or quit pretending you have any business calling yourself an ally while being a whiny wilted little cunt ass about how it’s everyone else’s job to make you want to for your own feel goods.
  Great rebuttal there
  
  Try me. How does it get worse than famine, constant bombings, plague, and now polio.
  [describes in detail how it could get worse]
  YOU SAID A BAD WORD, GREAT REBUTTAL
  Average tankie embracing civility politics the moment someone doesn't give them asspats for being pro-genocide.
  
  you don't have to ignore what's happening now to imagine many ways it could get worse.
  ever heard of things like concentration camps and mass executions?
  
  That is what's happening there...
  
  *citation needed
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sde_Teiman_detention_camp
  "Multiple released Palestinian detainees have testified they and others, including children, were subjected to rape, gang-rape, other forms of sexual violence as well as psychological and physical torture by both male and female Israeli soldiers and medical staff."
  "In one highly publicized incident, leaked CCTV footage showed Israeli soldiers gang raping a Palestinian detainee with a metal rod that caused him serious injuries to his anus and lungs."
  
  How would you describe them being moved into specific areas, bombed and starved?
  
  supremely naive.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_in_Nazi_concentration_camps
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp#Gassings
  
  Simple. It's as bad as it is now despite Biden's administration delaying arms, prohibiting aid being sent to illegal settlers, and constantly pushing for a peace deal. A Trump administration wouldn't bother with any of that.
  Imagine how bad it would be with Trump patting Netanyahu on the back the whole time, shovelling arms over there as fast as the grift would allow, and subsidizing the settlements (now not illegal if the UN knows what is good for it). Precision munitions? Why bother when you could just carpet MOABs the whole district?
  See now how it will be worse?
  
  Do you think it’ll get better for those in Ukraine if Trump became king?
  
  famously part of Gaza?
  
  Yeah those people aren't dying in the right region of the world for you to care about I guess
  
  but what about this other thing
  So no actual argument against Gaza genocide?
  
  Weren’t you saying the two parties are the same?
  
  same on gaza
  
  So is that the only thing you’ll consider when you go to vote?
  
  thanks to the electoral college my presidential vote doesn't matter.
  down ballot is different story,
  
  Again how can it get worse for those in Gaza?
  this isn't complicated. more of literally everything.
  
  What's worse than a genocide we're allowing to happen...
  
  you are either supremely naive or a blatant trump shill. Israel still has many cards left to play in the genocide deck like cultural reprogramming, concentration camps, and mass executions.
  
  everyone I don't like is a trump supporter
  get a new line.
  So it gets worse by what's already happening?
  
  no, I said you are either naive OR a trump shill. if you say you are honestly not a trump shill I will take your word, and stand by the statement that you're supremely naive.
  So it gets worse by what’s already happening?
  get a new line.
  
  I honestly don't give a shit what a genocide supporter thinks
  
  This genocide has been going on for decades, genius. Do you think the past year of genocide is 'just as bad' as the past two decades of genocide? Yes or no?
  
  I'm sure you can use your imagination.
  
  amazing rebuttal
  
  You have the right to ask how things get better for Palestinians if Harris takes office. While you're at it please take time to ask how do things get better for Americans if trump takes office. The US president doesn't just set the tone for Palestine. They have influence all over the world.
  If Harris wins and the day after the election Isreal signs a treaty won't you just think for a second what that means
  Edit: at the very least acknowledge bibi would like nothing more then to see donald trump in the white house, coward.
  
  BUT WHAT ABOUT
  The top level comment this is all from is
  Lemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!
  None of your argument is refuting that.
  Then again not expecting much in a meme community*___**___**___*
  
  How dare I ask what Americans will do as the result of an American election.
  Edit: why are Palistian lives in the hands of a foreign nation to begin with?
  Edit2: American hands. Sorry if you haven't brushed up on your history but our track record is not great friend. You want to see America do better? It's starts by not being ambivalent about every other political issue going on in this nation.
  Also it's fine if you hate America, if you hate everything we stand for; you hate Kamala and you would like to see me piked personally but have the decency to look me in the eyes when you impale me. I'll see right past you.
  
  Also it’s fine if you hate America, if you hate everything we stand for. You hate Kamala and you would like to see me piked personally but have the decency to look me in the eyes when you impale me. I’ll see right past you.
  way to do unfounded personal attacks.
  
  Was that personal? I was just asking the question.
  
  you hate Kamala and you would like to see me piked personally but have the decency to look me in the eyes when you impale me
  How the fuck would you take that?
  
  I'm sorry that was a clause to the previous statements. Not sure if my grammar is correct but that was posed as a hypothetical.
  
  It sure as hell doesn't read as a hypothetical.
- send more AND put you in jail for protesting that he's sending more
  
  Did you not watch this administration support and give more funding to the cops who beat up campus protesters?
  
  Is that supposed to be a whataboutism? You mean the same administration that launched a national database for police misconduct? That one? They're funding STATE cops? how? Or do you mean the feds beating up protesters like that time trump sent Homeland Security to abduct protesters off the street and detain them without charges, did The Biden admin do that too at some point because if they did I must have missed it. So what is your point exactly, that we should enable fascists because why fight it if bOtH SiDeS ArE thE SaME?
  
  okay cool just checking
  
  Did you not read the articles or watch clips of Trump threatening to deport college kid protestors? People who are commonly citizens…
  
  Did you not watch police protect neo Nazis while they stormed student encampments, and later beat those same students themselves for daring to oppose genocide?
  Lancet reports, conservatively, 200k Palestinian deaths. That is more dead than 1948. And you want me to vote for the party that supplied every one of those bombs.
  
  I did watch police protect their neo nazi friends and beat protesters, it’s disgusting.
  But you are kidding yourself if not voting isn’t a vote for Trump. And you are kidding yourself if you think a right wing Christian nationalist party would send fewer bombs. They would send more “for Jesus” and I think you know that.
  
  All these people are convinced that Trump would be worse for Palestinians.
  And maybe they're right, maybe Trump will send in straight up death squads. Maybe he'll build vans that pipe the exhaust into the cargo area and ship them to tel Aviv. Maybe he'll start sending the Israelis Zyclon b.
  But the fact remains. The last year has been the most deadly for Palestinians. Ever. More Palestinians have been killed in the last year than died during the formation of the state of Israel. More Palestinians have had their homes destroyed in the last year, then ever before in modern history.
  At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.
  
  I’ve seen you comment that in a few places, and I don’t really think I disagree with you. It’s truly awful what is happening and has happened to Palestinians. It’s also awful that our government is, on average, indifferent and in bed with AIPAC.
  I wish there were real leaders here with courage to lead and be better. I would much rather vote to support men and women like that than “which of these ~~humans~~ trash bags will do the least damage.”
  
  Listen.
  I ain't gonna tell you now to vote.
  I firmly object to people telling ME how to vote. Especially when it is clear they care more about a tax policy that will never pass the house, than they do about tens of thousands of dead children.
  
  Yeah, I hear you on that.
  But many are rightfully afraid of another Trump presidency and the not zero chance that there will be no further real elections. I’m sure you understand that view too.
  
  If you live in a swing state you gotta do what you think is best.
  My vote literally doesn't matter. Kamala will not get within 10 points in my state. I am not gonna mix my pride up with her shame.

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