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Bernie Sanders and AOC’s Rallies Can Become a Mass Movement
Bernie Sanders and AOC’s Rallies Can Become a Mass Movement
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Bernie Sanders and AOC’s Rallies Can Become a Mass Movement
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We’ve been through this before. Don’t fall for it. Learn from your mistakes.
They’re doing damage control for the Dems. People are leaving the party in droves, so they trotted out their token progressives to pretend the party can be reformed. They’re also floating the idea of starting a completely new party, which would presumably direct members to the Dems for elections, or else they’d be advocating joining with existing leftist parties.
Bernie & AOC also still fervently support the military industry. They’re both defending arming far right extremists and proxy wars.
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Learn from your mistakes and do what, exactly?
Begging your pardon, but your reply sounds like, "oh no, don't try to reform your party, because that's just damage control; and don't try to make a new party, became you'll just send people to the old one." At least they can try, right? It's better than nothing?
And as to your objections to their support for the military, a) those of us who support Ukraine would still like America to have a military, and to use it well; and b) what's your alternative? Can you field another candidate/pair/group to lead America into a vision you believe in? Please do!
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Begging your pardon, but your reply sounds like, “oh no, don’t try to reform your party, because that’s just damage control; and don’t try to make a new party, became you’ll just send people to the old one.” At least they can try, right? It’s better than nothing?
FWIW, there are already other parties which should be filling this role. But, as some other comments have mentioned, organizing under a political party like PSL is probably the best way forward, since they aren't just focused on electoral tactics but instead focusing on the power we have as workers and as communities (the electoral system was broken long before Trump took power, it would be foolish to pretend 2027 will be any more viable than Germany's elections after the Nazi Party took control).
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organizing under a political party like PSL
I've looked them up now, and the more I read.... No. I disagree.
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those of us who support Ukraine would still like America to have a military
If not for the US/NATO, this war wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
The US-backed Maidan coup and fascist paramilitary attacks on separatist eastern & southern Ukraine:- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
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You have absolutely nothing of value to add to this conversation.
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You should really avoid your keyboard when talking to yourself.
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