Bulletins and News Discussion from July 15th to July 21st, 2024 - It's Joever

It’s essentially just a shopping list that right wing cranks have wanted since at least the nixon administration. the heritage foundation was founded in ‘73, and it is heir to a tradition that includes things like the john birch society and the federalist society. the american far right has been advancing a plan of judicial capture for decades, and it’s finally coming to a head. the democrats argue we can either have it in 2025 or delay it to 2029.

the democrats are broadly not wrong to say that the contents of the project are bad. they will kick a lot of protections down to the state level, where obviously the red controlled state govs will gleefully strip away everything they can. the reason the democrats are bringing it up so much is because, rhetorically, they only have fear and negative claims to support them. there is no democratic platform, or anti-2025 project, or coherent vision of the future, or anything. the only pitch they have is the same pitch they’ve had for decades, except now it’s more tired than its ever been: the other guy is really bad, this is an important election, you have to vote blue. hunter s. thompson wrote about being tired of holding his nose for unpopular candidates in the 70s.

it’s closer to the fascists telling us what to do then agenda 21, but they’ve been telling us for eighty years. the recent emphasis on it is a combination of it playing well on tiktok to young people who are critically looking at the character of USamerican civil society for the first time and the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the democratic party.

Project 2025 is just the democratic platform of 2030

I expect a lot of it will come to pass. The libs are justified in freaking out. The problem is, the only thing liberals know how to do is flog the dead-end policies and candidates which brought us to this exact point. They still view the Democrats as the solution, rather than the cause of this problem, and are actively causing harm by defending them.

I think the question is "have things gotten bad enough yet that the deep state has to batten down the hatches and bring the frontier home (aka fascism)" and while things have gotten pretty bad, I don't think we're there yet. I generally hold fast to the prediction that things will get slightly worse year-on-year rather than getting massively worse very quickly, in order to contain public anger.

I very much doubt the more hysterical parts of it, like saying that Trump will make himself a dictator and end elections - it would erode the propaganda immensely if the charade of Western democracy ended, and there's simply no real reason to do so. fascism has only really occurred when there's a genuine threat to capitalism in a country - Italy and Germany were in revolutionary situations and communists had to be crushed with an iron fist. where is that genuine threat to American capitalism? there's nothing domestically which could challenge it on a national or even regional scale, and even local attempts get smashed fairly quickly by the piggies. even China isn't really exporting the revolution or anything like the USSR once did; lots of massive American CEOs depend to a greater or lesser extent on Chinese manufacturing, and they're generally reticent about cutting them off, even if some of them are making vague bleating about moving to India (which will never work) and Vietnam (could work). ending elections implies that the American people have a power that I don't think they have ever had, because they're unorganized potatoes in a sack.

tbh I also doubt the whole thing of deporting tens of millions of migrants. the many, many businesses that rely on cheap immigrant labour aren't gonna be happy with that, even if it could logistically be done (though I suppose if there's one thing the American state is still competent at, it's cruelty to minorities). but Trump will probably make an attempt anyway just like with the wall thing, and even if "only" hundreds of thousands are deported from their homes, that's still very, very bad. and the situation at the border will undoubtably become even more atrocious than it already is.

so yes, project 2025 is real and it's bad. for what it's worth though, the Democrats don't seem to be opposing it much. Biden seems determined to stay in even if another candidate would do better, and he's had years to improve conditions, challenge/change the Supreme Court, etc.

its heritage not hate dreams. if libs were serious about it, they would have packed the courts 3 times over already and divested presidential powers, instead of doing their apoplectic civility bits. (so they know its bs). Cultural stuff (aside from ) just not gonna happen, onlyfans founder will personally murder every republican talking about that after election

Moreover, I don't think porkies would want to move quickly - if say epa just ceased to exist, your average dupont would still be waiting to see backlash to even try to invest in radically polluting project, it takes 5-10 years to readjust your processes at that scale. They would be happy not to pay fines, but they don't already.

Democracy stuff is pure fearmongering. trump is old, who will succeed him? jd fuck hillbillies vance? barron?

It's mostly just fear mongering. Trump doesn't give a shit about Project 2025 because he just wants to be President for the next four years, escape whatever criminal cases are against him and then die peacefully in some mansion somewhere.

It is inevitable because Democrats don't have anything close to an anti-Project 2025 program and you can't keep the Republicans away from the White House forever. And given its inevitability, you should just ignore the scaremongering but instead prepare and act accordingly.

Unlike agenda 21, project 2025 is absolutely going to happen. The conservatives already made homelessness illegal and exempt from protections against cruel and unusual punishments, and have already gotten rid of Roe v Wade.

That was just a taste of what they're going to do after November. It's terrifying and honestly if anyone is thinking about leaving the US, now is your absolute best time to start planning your alternative.

If you still want more info, look up "Mandate for Leadership." Project 2025 is part of the latest Mandate.