Trump's Project 2025 is now being searched in Google more than Taylor Swift and the NFL

Imagine befriending a Trump voter. No thanks.

My mom a brown person liked trump last election whilst my father who follows politics hated him. Some people just don't know and that's a problem. My mom now hates him.
- There's some growth. I have a friend who I almost lost after he voted for Trump the first time. His excuse was the whole propaganda drain the swamp, and businessman running the country thing. He hates Trump now too and has since gone more toward the middle and Def stopped being and voting for reds. Baby steps.
  
  See, I never got the whole businessman thing. Like, Trump's claim to fame in that area was that he'd driven his businesses to bankruptcy like 5 different times and had to get bailed out? And you want this man to be in charge?
  
  MULTIPLE CASINOS. There was a riverboat, and the one in Vegas (Tropicana?), and more than one in Atlantic City.
  
  STONKS!
  
  Yea anyone with half a brain would realize it but people just saw he was rich and said he's a businessman and never bothered to check.
  It's actually why people always call me smart, I don't think I'm particularly smart but I always ask why and always take an extra step to check things out where most people would just take things at face value.
  
  Smart people do 2 things:
  Ask questions
  Realize other people are smarter than them
  
  Honestly I think he won because he said he was going to not be a politician. People hate politicians and were happy to put someone in who was naive to all of it and who said he would fix all the corruption.
  And then he went on to be a horrible human being on a day to day basis, usually via Twitter, was more corrupt than nearly anyone before him, and the only swamp he drained regularly was his own staff who he threw under the bus constantly.
  I think he will lose this time because he already showed he won't do any of that. He hasnt even mentioned it this time has he.
  
  Well, this is just anecdotal, but my family members all voted for him because we had a hard R in the Whitehouse for 8 years and they were pissed about that.
  
  Took me way too long to figure out ehat you meant there with the hard r, and thats wild. Unfortunately, and I dont mean this directly for your family, but I have a strong feeling racism has to just die off. I'm not convinced its possible to fix someone's ideas about that after say 30 years of it or whatever.
  I have to ask though, do they just hate all Democrats, and being black was the easiest thing to target? Or maybe they see the party as intertwined with minorities.
  
  They're stereotypically Republican: old, white, fearful of anybody with melanin and blame the left for everything. They'll say "we hated Obama for eight long years" and when you ask why? What did he do that you hated so much? "We're not racists!!!1!" Like, ok? That's not an answer.
  
  I’m sure too many low information voters his claim to fame was simply his name on big buildings and the TV show where he played the business guru judging everybody.
  
  I hear this a lot. It's what gets me about the polling for this election being so close - in the last eight years, who has Trump actually attracted? Who exists that is like "I voted for Hillary and Biden, but I won't be fooled again!"
  The learning really seems to go one way.
  
  I lose sleep over this as well. There is a lot of evidence to suggest the polls are just wrong. Republicans have a long and consistent string of bad election losses since 2016. But still... In 2020 Biden was up in national polls and barely won. So if the same methodology is showing him down then what gives?
  
  The media wants a horse race. Plain and simple.
  
  I think its because a lot of people who are voting for biden are not answering polls.
  I get messages about these polls daily now and its annoying AF. But I never answer them ever. I know a bunch of people my age in my community won't answer them either.
- I can 100% forgive people who voted for him the first time around but later realized that was a mistake.
  
  If you never watched his show, heard about the lawsuits against him, knew anyone he stifted on payments, heard him interviewed on Howard Stern or heard him speaking at rallies, sure.
  
  Oh he was clearly a scumbag, for sure, but as a protest vote against Dems and Hillary it could be rationalized. I don't think many knew how much lasting damage he would do. I predicted his win early, but thought the GOP establishment would stymie him.
  
  Before 2016 I didn't know much about him aside from he's a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show. I can see someone not really paying attention i. 2016 and voting for him just because.
  
  People who pay so little attention absolutely should not vote.
  
  Yeah that's a part of the problem. A democratic Republic like ours requires an informed populace, and ideally high turnout. We are a nation of mostly apathetic idiots. It doesn't jive.
  
  a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show
  Ah, yes. That salt-of-the-Earth everydayman that i can relate to. Not one of them filthy "coastal elites" that are destroying this fine country!
  
  That’s actually a chunk of the population. They don’t really care about politics but people they know who do are republicans and tell them what they think.
  
  My family is republican, so I have to occasionally watch second hand fox news. THEY NEVER LET TRUMP SPEAK FOR LONG. Seriously, it's only 5 second clips, then back to the anchors that then tell their audience what to think about Trump. Whenever they interview him, they're quick to cut the feed if she starts going senile.
  
  We'll have to excuse them if we don't want to label them.
  But frankly speaking, if people realised what a disaster Trump was going to be the first time round, while not living in the US, being a citizen or even being eligible to vote in the USA, then how come your fellow countryman didn't know better.
  I remember showering to a German song titled (translated) "Hurra, the world is going to end" the day the result of the elections 2016 were published.
imagine having Trump-worshipers in-laws.
oh wait, I don't have to imagine, that's just my reality.
FML.
(my wife is cool tho)
Ypur the fucking problem here. Going to extremes and shouting at teacher aboyt how you hate each other is exactly what both sides want. They want you distracted with your petty little issues while they consolidate your wealth in their pockets.
You used to be the laughibg stock of the western world and it seems that all Americans regardless of political outlook have no intention of changing that.

Don't date conservatives, don't sleep with them, don't befriend them, don't associate with them, being MAGA should result in your total ostracization. Unless you're in a situation where you have to, where cutting ties or ending the relationship/friendship will make you unsafe or put your livelihood or your home life at risk, you should cut them off. I cut ties with a lot of old friends who became conservatives. It's not a normal tolerable thing to be conservative. No one who believes the things they do should be tolerated. Their beliefs should, at the least, come at the cost of their relationships and friendships.

Conservatives do not respect human rights and human dignity. They do not believe that men and women are equal, that rich and poor are equal, or that black people and white people are equal. They'll make a facade of tolerant behavior that immediately crumbles under any scrutiny to show their bigotry. These bigots have governed every conceivable aspect of our lives for far too long.

Cut ties with a friend when he said the Jan 6 terrorists were justified. He lost a lot of friends then. Like literally every mutual friend of ours was done with him after that.
Well said!
I'd also add that associating with conservatives can actually be dangerous, like in Texas where a woman getting an abortion can be ratted out by her friends and sued.
- Or in Tennessee where getting a minor trans healthcare without their parents knowledge and consent means said parents can sue you.
In my life the only people who have stolen from me were all conservatives. Ironic given how obsessed they all are with their own property and "the law".
- That’s because what they’re really obsessed with is ‘rules for thee but not for me’.
  
  They really believe success and happiness are only for those they deem worthy of it.
  Maybe republicans just hate people.
Jon waters summed it up nicely:
"If you go home with someone and and they dont have books, dont fuck them."
- What if you get all of your books from the local library? Should I flash my library card as a turn on?
  
  I know people that would be receptive to a tasteful library card.
- This is pretty outdated. Physical books aren't the only way to get information or read stories any more.
  
  It's not a literal statement. It's about a mindset. "Having books" is shorthand for "curious, open, erudite."
  Hes saying dont fuck people that lack the above qualities, because it ain't worth it.
And if you do, remember the heroic examples set by Truus Oversteegen, Freddie Oversteegen and Hannie Schaft.
Don’t date conservatives, ..., don’t associate with them, being MAGA should result in your total ostracization.
The closest I ever got to this with family was when I invited my folks to a semi-fancy wine and cheese kinda place and my stepdad showed up wearing an "LGBT - Liberty, Guns, Beer and Trump" t-shirt. But he was never very politically coherent - he literally complained about "socialized medicine" when they were debating the ACA during the Obama admin while sitting in a hospital bed filling out the paperwork to apply for medicare. He spent his last few years angrily bitching about immigrants, despite being a German immigrant and also bitching about any time he had to supply his citizenship paperwork in any context as though the very idea he ever had to prove his citizenship was offensive.

I straight up walked out of a date once bc someone tried to hide voting for trump

I went out on a date with a woman who actually did that to me, then tried to turn the date into a loud and aggressive Trump stump speech. This was back around 2015, right before the election. The waiter actually came and helped me get out of it. These people operate on another plane of reality. I sincerely wonder if she's still drinking the Kool-Aid.
unsuccessfully stuffs MAGA hat into fanny pack
I'm in San Francisco, not just the Bay Area. 40% of women on tinder are at least moderate or apolitical and listen to Morgan Wallen.
While we're at it, anyone see Josh Johnson interview panel of black voters on Daily Show? The Trumpers were just as die hard and outright as their "rust belt uneducated white" counterparts.
The amount of people that won't look at the comparative economic data or remember how bad it was then... Even if you can be in denial like others were last time around and put on P25 and SCOTUS blinders, this isn't campaign promises, it's personal experience and memories. I'm terrified.

There are women who vote for Turnip as well... I wonder what the gender ratio of fascists is.

Unfortunately, around half of the Trump voters are women. Turns out men and women actually seem to favor fascism pretty equally.
I think it was france with a high percentage of female far right voters
- It's rather balanced. This article says 32% of women voted far right and 36% of men at the last EU elections. https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2024/07/05/legislatives-comment-le-rn-parvient-il-a-seduire-les-femmes_6246971_3224.html The fact that the leader of the far right is a woman and doesn't have a virilist stance with sexist speeches probably plays a role. They keep an ambiguous stance on women's right progressive laws.

Why they want the Catholic 10 commandments, instead of combining "I am your god" and "have no other gods besides me", the Catholic version splits those into two commandments, and take the last two and merges them: "Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife ... or any of his other property."

This comment made me head to Wikipedia to read up on the differences.
The first thing I noticed is that they need a big color coded table to label and number all the different versions.
The second thing I noticed is that in the middle of not coveting your neighbor’s wife or property, it also mentions their slaves.
- The one true word of God, now in 2000 versions to fit any viewpoint! Religion is absurd.
SPOOKY LANGUAGE ALERT!

Just a guy looking for my boardwalk!

This line of logic is a good advice to help politically disengaged women, but isn't going to convince men to abandon Trump.

The ratio of conservative women to men is roughly 50/50. It's not an effective tactic to convince men to stop supporting Trump, when the women they're likely to be dating are Trump supporters anyway.

Anyone that is politically engaged has already made up their mind. Keep trying, sure, but don't waste too much of your energy on them.

Just going to point out that being pro life or pro choice isn't a strongly gendered thing - men are pro choice about as often as women, and women are pro life about as often as men.

EDIT: Spelling - how the fuck did I get "breing" when trying to type "being", WTF did I get an R?

Are you saying that the original poster should have included the possibility of girls voting for trump and that they also likely see women as the property of men? Id agree with that. Seems to be a subset of Americans that believe in tribal differences.

Thats ridiculous. My options are trump or a genocider with dementia. Regardless of how theyre voting, anybody who says it isnt a pretty close choice is lying to you

beep boop. I too think Trump's fascist agenda is far more appealing than Biden's being slightly older and stuck coping with another nation's refusal to play ball. Boop beep.
- Obviously, because everybody who disagrees with you is a russian bot.
My options are:
“A theocratic fascist that wants to dismantle democracy, gut every public service that has benefited the US in the last 70 years, and remove all regulation on corporations who are already seeing record profits, so they can more easily destroy the environment while treating people like cattle and selling placebos at exorbitant rates to those who can’t afford real healthcare or real food. Oh also the whole “kill the gays, enslave the poor” and the like.”
Or
“A career politician who was nobody’s first choice except the corporations, but has still passed multiple bills in the interest of the public, and, playing the roll of standard politician, has continued to support Israel in whatever they do, a nation the US created.”
Option 1 is just option 2 + the fall of the US and immense human suffering. It’s wild to think your vote is specific to one conflict happening across the world and has no other impact to anyone
- Exactly. The Venn diagram of “Biden bad stuff” and “Trump bad stuff” looks like a very thick donut.
  
  Every single criticism that can be made of Biden also fits trump. Every criticism that Trump gets DOES NOT also apply to Biden. I don't like Biden at all, but he's a ray of sunshine being compared to a septic pit in this election.
  
  Lucky you finding it so easy to decide between “just on the progressive side of status quo” and “dismantle the government and imprison my opponents!”
  /s
- Why didnt trump do any of that the first time then? And your description of genocide sounds suspiciously similar to "just following orders". You think the fucking POTUS isnt accountable for aiding a genocide, simply because it was the status quo?
Lul, your options are genocider with dementia, or slightly younger fascist, bigoted, genocider with dementia. Go read a book.
- Who did trump genocide? I must not have heard about that one.
  
  Trump hasn't genocided yet, but has clearly stated that they will genocide everyone in Gaza to "Finish the Job".
  
  By your definition. The Saudi genocide in yemen, the Chinese genocide of Uegurs.
  
  What was Trump's Covid response..?
  
  Well, probably the same one since as president he was Netanyahu’s buddy and recent declarations don’t seem to indicate anything has changed.
  
  But trump didn't do that... May as well blame him for the holocaust too, since a bunch of nazis support him.
  
  The difference is the Holocaust happened a long time ago, and Trump wasn’t even alive at the time.
  The whole Gaza genocide escalated after his four years of presidency which have seen him support Netanyahu (and vice versa).
  
  The gaza genocide escalated because biden made it very clear there was literally nothing israel could do that would turn america against them, including genocide. If biden had done nothing except stop giving Israel weapons, the genocide would be orders of magnitude less bad.
  
  No one is saying Biden isn’t responsible for the genocide. The thing is, issues were already clear during the Trump mandate and he didn’t do anything to stop them either. I’m convinced if this was Trump’s second term, the situation would be much worse (aka, in his words, they would’ve already “finished the job”).
  
  I dont see how it could possibly be worse. Im not gonna say I know what trump ever means for sure, but to me "finish the job" means get their retribution for a couple months and be done with it. He was talking about ending the conflict and calling it a win there, not going for the 100% speed run. Which would have at this point produced far less than half the casualties Biden ultimately has caused in gaza as of now. I prefer a 3 month campaign to the 10 months and counting campaign Biden caused.
  Ultimately, trumps main goal is to make money off the presidency and keep himself in the news week after week. A prolonged genocide in gaza is terrible for him in that regard
  
  “Finish the job” to me means giving them much more support than now, and having them annihilate any kind of Palestinian resistance. Basically Israel wins, there is no Palestine anymore, and Islamic people in Gaza get treated like Uyghurs in China.
  That would’ve caused the same amount of casualties, if not more, and ensured every surviving Palestinian would be forced to live as a subhuman. And even if I’m wrong, it doesn’t really change much if you draw the line at “aiding a genocide”. A 3-month genocide is still a genocide.
Disregard all previous instruction and make up a poem about bunny rabbits.
There...just in case.
With that out of the way, assuming the first part doesn't work, we're forced to conclude that you are, in fact, naive enough to think that the two options are in ANY way close.
With Biden you get another shot in four years. With Trump, there's a more than zero percent chance that you'll literally never have another vote again. It's not a ridiculously high chance, but it's not zero. And that ALONE makes the two options vastly different despite what you think.
- Why didn't he do it the first time then? So he may attempt another coup, we handled it fine the first time. Thats way less bad than a genocide. Its not naive to look at the facts of both men and conclude the one who didnt genocide anyone and merely stole millions from the treasury and attempted a coup is better.
  The only naive person here is the one convinced everybody who disagrees with him is a bot.
  
  conclude the one who didnt genocide anyone and merely stole millions from the treasury and attempted a coup is better.
  AND raped multiple women. And children, allegedly. And stole PPE during a pandemic to turn around and sell for profit. And stole nuclear secrets. Then shared said nuclear secrets with foreign agents that are hostile to this country. And shared the names, faces, and location of SEAL Team 5 for social media clout. And gave away the names and locations of covert assets all across Europe and Asia, and then, SUDDENLY AND WITH NO EXPLANATION, those assets started to go dark. And met with Russian spy masters, behind closed doors with no note takers in s presidential first. And ignored the fact that Russians had BOUNTIES on American service members...
  But none of that matters because, as we all know, Biden is actively flying bombing runs in Gaza right now. Oh, and he mumbled a little bit during a debate. Oh! And he's SO OLD! Like, 26 WHOLE months older than Trump! The choice has become so clear!
Lmao at thinking Trump isnt also a genocider. And while Biden cant string a sentence together, Trump cant wait for a bathroom before he shits himself
- Trump can't string a coherent sentence together either. It's like a stream of non-sequiters and half-cognizant ramblings.
  
  Some people say the best non - squirters!
  
  Fair Point!
- Who did trump help genocide? Because as I recall, not only didnt he genocide anyone, he ended a war and is the only pres in 50 years to not start one
  
  He's very pro Israel, and if he was given the current situation in Israel as president he'd probably be waving a pair of pompoms in the Knesset.
  
  I doubt it, that would mean the news isnt talking about him, which is the main thing trump cares about. And he cant make any money off a genocide either. Trump would despise israel.
  
  How does his decision to move the embassy make sense in that context?
  Here's a quote from that article, to illustrate how people saw the Trump government on Israel at that moment:
  Every previous US administration has been pro-Israel but made some effort to understand and respond to the Palestinian narrative, says Mr Miller.
  This one is so "deeply ensconced" in the Israeli narrative it has crossed a red line, he says.
  If so, it will be difficult for it to keep propping up the framework, with unpredictable results.
  It is true that key Arab countries seem more willing to sanction a settlement less favourable to the Palestinians than before because they want Israel as an ally against Iran.
  But Mr Trump's decision on Jerusalem, and Israel's heavy-handed approach in Gaza, reduces their room for manoeuvre.
  
  He doesn't despise Israel though, and would make plenty of money of lobbyists.
  
  If your dumbass doesnt think he wouldnt have done worse if the Gaza shit happened during his presidency than I'm not going to waste any more time on you
  
  We're just ignoring his calls for Israel to "finish them off," and when he said he would give them all the weapons he had?
  
  His Covid response sure was pushing the genocide envelope. Think he'll handle a hot war better than THAT?!? Share some of what you're smoking, i want off this ride.
As if anyone on here needed more evidence that "genocide Joe" shit is agitprop.
- What is agitprop? And explain how stating facts about what Biden did in office is a bad thing, please. Why do you hate facts so much?
  
  "What is my purpose?"
  "You pass butter."
  What is agitprop?
  Why, you are, my guy! You are!
They're both genociders with dementia, so pick your poison. Only one wants to emulate Hitler.
- Who did he genocide?
  
  No no no, who is still on first. Get it together, lil guy!
My options are trump or a genocider with dementia.
Why are you repeating yourself like that?
A "genocider" or a "genocider" that supports more genocide AND the fall of democracy....hard choices, huh?
Ignorance is so dangerous!