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I'm always a little suspicious when people who don't even believe in Jesus try to tell me what he would have loved but let's have a look at why those evil, evil Republicans might have been on the fence about it, shall we?
A number of conservative publications and groups, including National Review and The Federalist, have criticized social-emotional learning as a "Trojan horse" used to bring in ideas such as critical race theory, sexual orientation and gender identity, and other left-wing politics to the classroom.
Ah well, that sounds pretty typical, doesn't it. And it's funny because SEL lists self-awareness and responsible decisionmaking among its primary goals, but somehow, the people who are pushing for it can't seem to
- resist shoehorning their own ideology into it
- resist blaming their critics for when they're found out
Not the best advertisement for SEL's effectiveness, don't you think?
Scary buzzwords, to be sure. The second two topics are about accepting people for who they are. The first is about recognizing that our current laws are unfair to some people.
These are not unreasonable things. But I will not be able to convince you of that. I imagine nothing would.
So regardless. If they wanted to teach ethics, they can do so by posting a short list of things everyone should do. They aren't doing that. They're pushing one religion's agenda, and we don't do that in America.
Okay, you admit then that the criticism is factual and SEL is in fact a vehicle for pushing left-wing politics into the classroom?
In that case, can you blame right-wing politicians for wanting to do the same? Because that's just the pot calling the kettle black. In other words, politics as usual.
No, I admit that people have unfounded concerns about SEL, and that I'm not going to be able to change the mind of someone so entrenched in fear of those topics. It also isn't relevant to the point.
And I can't tell if you're being snarky in that last comment, or if you're saying that it's clearly the GOP trying to push a religious agenda? I mean, you may think that's justified. But that is what they're doing?
No, I admit that people have unfounded concerns about SEL
That's not an admission, that's an accusation.
It also isn't relevant to the point.
It's very relevant because your failure to demonstrate even ONE of the proposed learning goals of SEL while still defending its implementation in public schools is evidence that you care more about the left-wing politics that are embedded in it than the package they're wrapped in.
And I can't tell if you're being snarky in that last comment, or if you're saying that it's clearly the GOP trying to push a religious agenda?
Of course they're pushing a religious agenda. But at least they're being honest about it. Meanwhile, you've already admitted that the Trojan horse theory is true and STILL act as if its somehow a great moral evil to condemn that.
I think you're not reading my words. SEL was an example, and clearly not a good one so I should not have brought it up. It's irrelevant to ten commandments in the classroom except as an example. So it's not relevant here. Happy to have a different thread about that later. But this thread is about ten commandments.
People should not be pushing a religious agenda. That's it. Full stop. If you can't agree on that, then we cannot find any place to agree.
No, it was a perfect example, because it showed very clearly that you don’t really care about principles or values, and it’s all about political power and influence for you.
You seem like you have a lot of hostility. To the point where you feel the need to attribute random bad things to someone you just met. Honestly, that's not healthy. You might want to speak to your pastor or trusted friend. Not being able to have a normal conversation is a symptom of very big underlying problems.
Okay, so now that you're out of arguments, you're trying to shame me for beating you in a debate that YOU decided to have. And you don't even seem to realize that by doing so, you're just providing more evidence that you have no principles whatsoever and it's all about power for you.
A rational person would just admit when they're beat instead of digging their own hole deeper. Your lack of self-awareness is truly astounding.
There's no winning and losing in discussion. It's not a contest. The point of sharing ideas is to learn and have better ideas.
But like I said, you and I differ at a fundamental level. I say no religion in the classroom, unless it's taught like a cultural class and includes many religions. You want religion in the classroom, but only if it's your religion. We will never see eye to eye.
And I'm not trying to shame you. I'm telling you you're being a dick for no reason, and that's a personal problem you should work on. I don't care if work on it or not, I don't know you. But I bet you're surrounded by people who would appreciate if you worked on yourself a bit.
But hey, don't take advice from a heathen. You might end up in hell and burn for all eternity.
Yet you are still attempting to wrestle victory out of this discussion by championing political aesthetics over moral principles. People like you shouldn’t even have the right to vote as far as I am concerned, because you’re just going to use it to vote for more “free” stuff that others have to pay for using their blood, sweat, and tears (and sometimes their literal lives). Absolutely despicable. You are literally the cancer that’s ruining democracy.
But hey, don't take advice from a heathen. You might end up in hell and burn for all eternity.
This is the first sensible thing you’ve said.
Oh no! Those filthy liberals might use this program as a Trojan horse to teach our children that checks notes
- black people gained the right to vote within living memory and there are still organizations and people that think of you as lesser depending on the color of your skin, and we must take care that we do not allow ourselves to do the same
- it's okay to be gay and no one is forcing you to like one gender or the other
- it's okay to not feel like the genitalia your momma gave you really fit you, and that if you want to be called a boy or a girl or neither or both irrespective of what's in your pants then that's A-OK