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There's no need to go all reactionary atheist (a religion that has no churches or temples - but lots of media) on me - it's not going to gain you anything.
I'll explain it this way -
To be anti-LGBTQ+ is to be anti-working class. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.
To be anti-religion is to be anti-working class. Period. No ifs, ands or buts.
There is no contradiction here. If you think there is one, it's your logic that requires examination.
Who do you think tells them to be homophobic? Do you think it's genetic or something? They get it from the churches.
Do you think it’s genetic or something?
Do you really believe that it's religion itself that is (somehow) fundamentally threatened by homosexuality? Are you really going to try and tell me that Christianity grew inside the Roman empire because the Romans (of all people) were all closeted homophobes deep down?
Come now... I know you're smarter than that.
If the Christian churches all over the west that align themselves with empire are peddling anti-LGBTQ+ narratives it's because the embrace of LGBTQ+ people poses a threat to said empire - not Christianity.
Please explain to me how queer people are a threat to Western governments. This should be interesting.
Please explain to me how queer people are a threat to Western governments.
You mean...liberals themselves hysterically painting transgender people as a "threat to liberal values" isn't enough for you?
Content warning - it's very liberal.
I mean... did you really think the colonialists brutally imposed heternormativity on the colonized world for shits and giggles? Or do you perhaps suspect that it has somethng to do with the vast resources flowing from the colonized world to the liberal empires and the cheap, expendable labor that makes it flow in the first place?
Yes, I know right-wing people hate queer people. That doesn't answer my question. If it is governments, not religions, that are the cause of homophobia, what threat do queer people pose?
Yes, I know right-wing people hate queer people.
What did you think right-wing ideology exists for? What did you think the status quo is?
That doesn’t answer my question.
You really don't know any of this, do you? Fine.
None of this is a secret anymore, you know - you could have found this all by yourself.
Maybe find a better source. An opinion article from a medium-credible one isn't exactly great.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/novara-media-bias/
But I get it. Religion is blameless. No evil in this world can ever be traced to religion.
Maybe find a better source
No. It's a perfectly fine source for a lot of things - that is, unless you prefer the "objective" centrist claptrap I showed you first?
It's your choice.
No evil in this world can ever be traced to religion.
More reactionary atheism... and you're still stuck in a dead-end.
It's clearly not a fine source as I showed you.
But fine, if I'm stuck in a dead end, name three evils that religion is responsible for.
It’s clearly not a fine source as I showed you.
Again... it's a perfectly fine source - anyone that tries to convince you that there is, or has ever been, such a thing as a "far left" has already dealt their own credibility a crippling blow.
name three evils that religion is responsible for.
Which one of the hundreds of thousands that has existed over the last six millenia would you like to focus on? Remember... your argument - the same argument that all reactionary atheists peddle - wholly rests on the hopelessly ahistorical presumption that there is something fundamentally "evil" about religion. In order to prove this argument, you have to find a pattern of the exact same "evil" in the religious practices of a whole bunch of pre-modern civilizations (both large and small) than the ones you attribute to modern day ones.
Reactionary atheists have all failed at this - most don't even try, and simply pretend this big flaw in their anti-scientific pretzel-logic doesn't exist.
Wanna try your hand at it?