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It's not a trolley problem. It's you making a choice as to whether you accept the Democratic pro-genocide stance or not and whether you're willing to put your stamp of approval on it.
The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work anymore, try something different now, you're just pissing people off by demanding they actively support genocide.
It is a trolley problem. Either the Democrats will be in power after the election, or the Republicans will. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a valid tactic when you live in a two-party system.
Only if you live in a swing state.
A vote for Biden is what makes future Democratic support for genocide possible. That's what you're putting your seal of approval on; that the democrats can fund a literal genocide and still win elections.
I won't support or encourage it, and the more you demand and squeal that people must support genocide the more sure I become that I won't.
Want people to vote for Biden? Pressure him and all your reps to defund Israel. That's your most pragmatic course, what you're doing now is not just a waste of time but counter-productive.
Using your logic then, by not voting Democrats, you are making a Republican rule more likely. Even by minuscule amounts. If enough people share your view, it's a real help to them. Why do you want to help them? Do you love wannabe Dictators that much? Staying home helps Republicans.
Do you love wannabe Dictators that much?
Yes. Some of them are fascists, and some of them are accelerationists who merely WANT to be fascists. There's not much difference except the speed at which they want to get down and lick the boots though.
"The lesser of two evils argument doesn't work anymore"
Ah, so you're just going with the greater of the two evils because, apparently, you just can't get enough genocide. Us less privileged Americans will thank you from the concentration camps.
Enjoy your Soylent Green, at least it's better than bugs.
you just can’t get enough genocide
Lol, as if liberals have a right to speak.
If you really do end up in a camp (and you won't), it'll be rightful karma for not giving a shit about the victims of your own horrific politics until you suddenly realized you might be the one on the chopping block.
Lol, as if liberals have a right to speak.
Careful there, people might figure out who you really are. Tighten that mask up, Socko.
Don't worry, none of the useful idiots will figure out that he's a fascist, they've already been guzzling fascist rhetoric for so long that they can't tell the difference anyway.
So are you a pragmatist or not? You're willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?
And you're suppose to be the logical one here?
No wonder Dems have been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.
So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?
Have you not been paying attention to public support for Israel in the US for the past forty fucking years?
Let's go down through the facts, shall we?
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A plurality of Dem voters still believe in CONTINUING TO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH AID, ie exactly what Biden is doing, or INCREASING aid to Israel. They're already pro-genocide by that standard.
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The braindead talking points parroted by these ghouls necessarily imply that NOT voting Biden will, in some way, alleviate genocide, when the exact opposite is the fucking truth.
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I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians, I just don't support electing a literal fascist who has pledged to do everything he can to assist the ongoing genocide AND start a few here at home too, because I'm not a fucking moron.
No wonder Dems gave been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.
Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I'll wait.
I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians
This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don't ever claim this again.
Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.
They've literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you're trying to help facilitate right now). Biden's border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It's literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of "disillusioned republicans".
Go look up clips of Zbigniew Brzezinski talking about US Israel relations, he was one of the major proponents of the Iraq war and yet his perspective on the Israeli right-wing government would get him labeled a "leftist" by modern day libs.
Yes, democrats have become more right-wing in their panic to suppress the growing demographic of Millenials and GenZ. It's why we find ourselves on the doorstep of fascism right now. You neoliberals have been the ones getting into power, these are the consequences of your politics.
This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.
lmao, or what, you'll send me to GULAG for daring to have opinions while not sucking off fascism?
They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.
So the only thing you have is border policy. Before I outline anything, would you like to confirm that it is your solid opinion that Democratic border policy is more fascist now than in the 90s? I would just like to be certain that we're all on the same page.
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"he's opposed to genocide! He's a fascist!"
Liberals don't have values or beliefs, just a selection of snarl words to deploy against any opposing voices.
“he’s opposed to genocide! He’s a fascist!”
Wow, I didn't know supporting genocide against numerous minority groups in the US was actually ANTI-genocide! Thank you for enlightening me. It's a really brave new form of leftism you're championing!
What are you trying to accomplish? You think you're going to shame me into think that there's something wrong with enjoying seeing evil people get their comupence, purely by their own action?
Not going to work, and I get joy from watching you suffer.
Not going to work, and I get joy from watching you suffer.
Yeah, I know you get joy from watching minorities suffer and be murdered, you don't HAVE to state it explicitly. Though I guess it helps anyone who's only loosely following the conversation.
Nobody is dump enough to not notice you trying to substitute "evil people" for "minorities", champ.
Yeah, I do get joy watching evil people like you finally face justice, don't care if you're a minority or not.
Lol holy shit, you just keep coming up with stupider shit to say. I cannot wait to see what gem you pull out next
Oh, I'm not wearing a mask. I'm perfectly happy to say that you people are evil fuckers, as bad as any fascist, who deserve everything you get.
Cute, I love that you get hard over the prospect of minorities being murdered for being liberal and concerned about resolving issues instead of, what, taking to the streets, armed and dangerous like you are?
Oh, wait, what am I saying, you're doing even less than the liberals you so despise.
Lol, you liberals did everything you could, including side with fascists, to systematically eliminate leftism as a political force in the country, making fascism inevitable. And you succeeded, fully. Like, I'm not to proud to say it, you completely defeated us. We're done.
But don't expect me not to get some bitter entertainment watching you cry about possibly being subject to the same treatment you demanded millions of others be subjected to.
No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide. You don't get to pretend you have some righteous position.
You're afraid for yourself, not others. You're demanding people support genocide out of cowardice, out of the fear that suddenly you might start to be the one affected by your dogshit neoliberal strategy that you've been shoving down people's throats for decades.
Time for you to change and compromise. Others simply will not on genocide.
No. You gave up being able to pretend you care about human beings when you demanded that we accept the Democratic party becoming pro-genocide.
God, this is why paying attention to history and foreign affairs is so frustrating. People who starting paying attention in the last five seconds having meltdowns and trying to sabotage people who are actually working against the state of affairs.
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could've learned that from 2016.
And watching Bill Maher doesn't count as "keeping up on fireign affairs".
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide. But I suppose it's too much to ask to expect bootlickers to pay attention.
And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.
Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?
Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide
Then stop carrying water for fascists. Stop demanding that the rest of us play make believe with you. Stop trying to convince the people who are morally outraged at their representatives for supporting genocide to give up those morals.
Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?
You talk like a boomer neolib and support a far-right Israeli government, so I assumed you were in his demographic.
Then stop carrying water for fascists.
I don't remember anywhere where I carried water for Trump or 'BOTHSIDES' style rhetoric that aims to get Trump elected?
Stop demanding that the rest of us play make believe with you.
You think that the threat of fascism here is make-believe? Fucking lmao. You keep living in your bubble.
You talk like a boomer neolib and support a far-right Israeli government, so I assumed you were in his demographic.
lmao
I didn't realize 'boomer neolibs' who supported far-right Israeli governments considered the creation of Israel a mistake, supported an unconditional establishment of a Palestinian state, and regarded Israel's current actions as genocidal and that all US aid should be immediately rescinded.
These boomer neolibs and Israel supporters, they're getting weird, man!
No. You are guarunteeing the "greater of two evils" by trying to force people to approve genocide.
The only thing you should be doing is pressuring your representatives to cut off aid to Israel in whatever way you can. If you want Joe Biden to be president again that's the only way. No one is going to respond to this fear mongering bullshit anymore. That strategy has only slid us closer to fascism, it's time for the Democrats to prove they're different, not for everyone to accept that they're the same.
Demanding that people support genocide is a non-starter. Try again.
No one is going to respond to this fear mongering bullshit anymore.
Of course, the privileged who won't suffer aren't going to stand for concerned minorities anymore who will be oppressed and killed once they allow fascism into power. How brave of you!
Notice how these ding dongs you're tangling with only ever say bad things about Biden/Democrats? They're either active propagandists or fully taken by them.
The question to ask here, to really lay it out: Whether you like it or not, politics in the US are between Republicans and Democrats. The presidential election is between Biden and Trump. Who's worse by a country mile?
They'll say "They're both the same!"
One will make it MUCH harder to organize and fight for a better future, in addition to very likely destroying what democracy we do have in this country and murdering hundreds of thousands of minorities.
The other will do, effectively, very little about anything, as insufficient as that is.
I think the choice is obvious, but apparently fascism is preferable to some self-proclaimed leftists.
When of course they are not both the same. Hell, even talking about Gaza/West Bank/Golan Heights, who actually thinks that the US with Republican control of Congress and POTUS wouldn't double the fuck down on enabling the Israeli government to subjugate Palestinians?
I've been alive long enough to know that the state of politics in the US since about 2012 is not normal, and that abnormalcy all comes from conservative lunatics, who are growing in number, or have always been there quietly, or both.
But really, as long as the commentary is just about how bad Biden/Democrats are ... "Go home, Russian propaganda."
Whether you like it or not, politics in the US are between Republicans and Democrats
Wow, maybe you idiots shouldn't have systematically destroyed any alternatives to crumbling neoliberalism. You teamed up with fascists to make us eat shit, don't know why you expect sympathy now that they're giving you a taste as well.
Go home, Russian propaganda.
Hey now!
It might be Israeli propaganda they've been fed. Bibi needs a Trump administration to keep him in power so he can genocide the West Bank too.
Liberals whine about the threat of fascism, then they invent their own version of the Judeo-Bolshivic conspiracy theory.
It's a simple fact that Russia has been interfering with US elections using propaganda campaigns online since at least 2015, probably much earlier.
TheyYou continue to do so now.Whether you like it or not, politics in the US are between Republicans and Democrats. The presidential election is between Biden and Trump. Who's worse by a country mile?
Go on, now. Say a bunch of bad things about US Democrats while utterly ignoring the dumpster fire that is the Republican party. I'll wait.
You forget, the brown people who are against genocide are not very different from the group that suffered from reprisals after 9/11.
Hardly privileged.
Allowing Trump to be elected isn't even incidentally anti-genocide. It's explicitly pro-genocide.
And Biden sending bombs to Israel is not pro-genocide?
What do you think those bombs are going to be used for?
Biden's support of Israel being pro-genocide doesn't make supporting his opponent anti-genocide, considering his opponent has literally come out on record saying that Israel isn't being genocidal ENOUGH for his tastes and that he would support them to the hilt, in addition to all the plans he has for genocide elsewhere, like Ukraine and the US.
Poor liberal suddenly cares about genocide when he realizes he might be the victim.
I've been decrying Israel's genocide longer than you've even been fucking aware of it, buddy. It's not my fault that you wallowed in ignorance until someone identified you as a useful idiot for fascist agitation. Thanks for admitting that you don't care about genocide so long as it's against the 'right people', like me, btw. About what I expect from privileged bougieviks.
About what I expect from privileged bougieviks.
I'll go tell my dead family members in Gaza that they're actually "privileged"
You've spent so long trying to convince everyone that leftists are the real fascists that the actual fascists are going to stab you in the back and you won't even realize.
I’ll go tell my dead family members in Gaza that they’re actually “privileged”
Oh, great, then you can tell them that you're supporting unlimited US aid for Palestinian genocide and for genocide of Palestinian Americans here in addition. I'm sure they'll be so proud of your moral purity in doing so!
Lol
Such hyperbole. Democrats do not support genocide and it's clear you don't know what genocide is.