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True but without the US, western Europe would belong to Russia or China... That arguably a lot worse.
It's the lesser of all evils.
Why would China "own" Western Europe. This sounds like a very vibes based analysis
The vibes:
Sure I work all my life to pay rent and the cops can murder me at any time for no reason and get away with it, but have you considered China worse somehow?
Yeah China seems worse to me.
Of course it does; you're a racist.
Based on what? Your hypothetical yellow peril bullshit where they would be worse if they could
You should go there. It would change your mind in an instant.
I would just be a tourist. I would of course like the people. People all over the world are quite nice. It's the governments that are not...
China has a democratic government with far more oversight and participation from their citizens than the US
How many countries has China invaded?
This will probably devolve into the usual tropes. It's dangerous to go alone! Take this.
Do you want current regime or it's history? Because... Lol if you think that number is 0 for either.
Please, do tell. Current government. If you say Tibet I will die of laughter and then link you a very well-sourced and easy to read academic paper.
Would you mind linking that paper so that i can read it?
Happy to, it's a banger if you're not familiar
I would like to hear your true facts about the current regime
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The answers are '1' and 'surprisingly few considering how old their civilization is' respectively.
How can China be of its current size without invading anyone? When it started, it was just a small patch in central Henan area.
This pedantry is ridiculous, wrong, and annoying. The Han ethnic group that was in a relatively small patch of land ~4,000 years ago is hardly the same thing as the contemporary Westphalian sovereign state known as People's Republic of China, which formed less than a hundred years ago and comprises many ethnicities.
The people of China would not agree with your assertion that China is less than one hundred years old.
I think they would find your pedantry annoying as well.
I'm okay with that.
They would if they could. Imagine China having a powerful air force like the US have. They would dominate every country in the world just like the US is doing. The US puts almost all their money into high tech weaponry as well.
The US is going after the middle east to get oil and to establish military bases for future domination. Has nothing to do with liberation or democracy.
"imagine if China invaded the whole world. China doesn't sound so good now, does it?"
Brilliant
Do you have any actual arguments? So far you are not really contributing to the discussion at all.
Argument: your US chauvinism is unjustified and you should probably justify it. Otherwise, you're wasting everyone's time with an undeserved smug attitude
Do you? So far you've invented a hypothetical with no evidence, and even if it was true its not a worse situation than the USA puts the world in today.
"China isn't as evil as the US, but if it was as evil as the US, it would be worse than the US, therefor China is worse than the US"
Least absurd white supremacist argument.
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username checks out. The US is not the lesser evil. Its the greatest evil in the world. If Satan were at war with the US, i would support Satan because the US is the Greater Satan.
Disagree on that they are the most evil, but yes they are also evil. China, Russia, US.. They are all evil. But the US seems like the lesser evil to me.
But the US seems like the lesser evil to me.
Of course it does, because the USA is white, and you're a racist.
Fucking hell. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that the US is the enemy of the world. The US funds coups, destabilize, install military dictatorships, invades and bombs countries and it's the only country in the world to drop a nuclear bomb on people, and THEY DID IT TWICE.
Stop making "wHaT iFs" in your head and actually look at the reality of what China does. It's not even comparable.
You are not wrong. I agree they do all these things. And I don't know what China does. I live outside of a China naturally, and I don't know anything about what's going on inside. We hear scary stories of course, and the leader of the country seems insane by western standards at least. I don't think China cares about human rights very much. And I would not be surprised if people gets killed and made to disappear if they are inconvenient.
But honestly, I don't know anything. I'm not there. I haven't seen with my own eyes anything.
That's the thing, you identified an issue, we constantly hear bad and scary stuff about China all the time, that's western propaganda trying to turn China into the enemy so whatever the west, mainly the US, wants to do, becomes justifiable.
You don't need to live there to know, at least partiatly, the reality of what goes on in the country nor it's international relations. I'm not from the US, but I do know all those things I just cited in my last comment. All you need are good sources. You can start by studying how China handles its international relations. You'll quickly realize that China doesn't threat, embargo or invade other countries.
If you are genuinely interested you can learn a lot by visiting Lemmygrad and Hexbear, there are communities there to ask for information, and as long as you're wanting to learn, you will be welcomed.
Also, Xi Jinping is not insane at all like the media likes to portray him. The statement is too broad for me to tackle any specific thing, tho.
I don't think China cares about human rights very much. And I would not be surprised if people gets killed and made to disappear if they are inconvenient.
Again, very broad statement, what human rights and what you mean by this? This probably comes from more propaganda led disinformation.
Also, China is a massive country with 1.4 billion people. Do you really think we wouldn't have proof of people being repressed, killed and disappearing? The people there aren't isolated from the internet, they can access beyond the restrictions easily with VPNs which are common, it would be easy to show this stuff to the rest of the world.
Protests happen all the time in China and people critique the government, just like basically any other country.
If you want the perspective of a foreigner living there, I recommend the youtube channel Felipe Durante, he speaks Portuguese but the auto translate on youtube should be good enough, at least for english.
Thanks for the long post. I realize there is a lot of propaganda to try and decipher. We live in a world of public appearances and PR. :)
I don't know what China does
Admitting that is good. If all you've heard about China is the kind of propaganda you hear in the West, then you're going to have a distorted view and think the kind of things you do. But that's not an informed opinion, that's just repeating the anti-China messaging from Western countries.
I'm the lesser evil!
just get in the pit
👆 how to say you're a racist without saying you're a racist
What part of shining city on a hill do no not get, Canuck?
one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in history
shining city on a hill
I'm a racist because I don't want China to control the western world the way the US is controlling it? :)
Thinking the US controlling things is good actually is fuckin cringe lol
What's cringe is your comments here... You just contribute nothing to the discussion.
Why isn't it good that the US is controlling things? And why do you think it's better if China would?
That's how you have a real discussion.
I don't owe you a discussion
I'm not some debate pervert
Make your discussion worth my time
Can you appreciate that the US is a far more aggressive and controlling power than China is? China isn't dropping bombs the world over to build and maintain its sphere.
You're racist because you think white westerners brutally dominating the world is a "lesser evil"
Skin color is completely irrelevant. Now I think you are just wasting my time and trolling. :) I've been called a racist like 3 times now. Is that what you guys do, just play the racist card in every discussion? Certainly seems like it so far.
"Why is everyone calling me a racist, just because I said a bunch of racist things! They're just playing the race card!"
Lol ok. :)
You should read what wrote again. It's impossible to not see how racist it is, unless you're a rascist.
Assuming China wants to control the western world or any world at all shows how you have no idea what you're talking about.
It might suprise you, but not everyone is the USA.
yes
Nah it would be better.
Of course you are operating under the childish assumption that either of them would act like the USA, which is nonsense. Neither ever did so in their history. Russia was always happy to stay to itself and be secure, that meant you had a great neighbour and trade partner if you did not fuck with it. China could have conquered most of its neighbours multiple times it its history, but rarely ventured out of what are now the chinese borders, historically extremely defensive and trade oriented.
meanwhile the USA has been at peace for less than 15 years during its entire history. Of all those wars, almost all were ones of aggression.
You compare two sane people to a frothing berserker yelling "MAIM! KILL! BURN! LOOT!" ad infinitum.
