The United States of America, but for Trans People
The United States of America, but for Trans People
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/13932170
This will have been drawn from the work of Erin Reed Though its worth noting her only firm, DO NOT TRAVEL, so far, is florida. Though the rest are of course still dangerous.
You're viewing a single thread.
I just watched a video about Utah and apparently Mormons are pretty tolerant of just about everyone and even though it's a red state they're pretty progressive on social issues.
Take with a grain of salt, my source is a YouTube video.
they're really not, slc has a pretty progressive community but it's in direct opposition to the mormons. they're officially accepting of gay people, but as long as they don't do anything gay. they aren't ok with trans people who transition at all.
utah also recently passed bathroom laws for all govt controlled buildings and schools and there are ones for colleges in the works.
generally mormons will be nice and accepting if they think they can convert you, but that's about as far as it goes
https://www.advocate.com/religion/2018/10/08/mormon-leader-lgbtq-advocacy-comes-satan https://www.advocate.com/religion/2019/10/03/mormon-leader-gender-assigned-birth-eternal
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2024/01/30/utah-transgender-bathroom-ban-goes/
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/transgender/understanding?lang=eng
“Church leaders counsel against elective medical or surgical intervention for the purpose of attempting to transition to the opposite gender of a person’s birth sex (“sex reassignment”). Leaders advise that taking these actions will be cause for Church membership restrictions.
Leaders also counsel against social transitioning. A social transition includes changing dress or grooming, or changing a name or pronouns, to present oneself as other than his or her birth sex. Leaders advise that those who socially transition will experience some Church membership restrictions for the duration of this transition.
This reminds me very much of the "hate the sin, not the sinner" that never actually happened.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction
Let us be clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that ‘the experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is.
Mormons are not at all tolerant. Just because they aren't calling for the death of LGBT people, and are still willing to take their tithes, doesn't make them tolerant.
Mormons are not at all tolerant. Just because they aren’t calling for the death of LGBT people, and are still willing to take their tithes, doesn’t make them tolerant.
You are conflating tolerance with approval. There's a spectrum of attitudes one might have towards any particular group of people. Here they are with most friendly on the left and most unfriendly on the right:
Kinship -- Friendship -- Approval -- Tolerance -- Disapproval -- Distrust -- Fear -- Hatred
Tolerance is the acceptance or putting up with something that one doesn't approve of. Institutionally (and broadly among individuals) the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is tolerant of LGBT people, but it doesn't not approve of LGBT lifestyles. It sounds like you want more than tolerance. In a pluralistic society, I don't think that is a reasonable position to take.
In a modern society, people who discriminate against others about their gender or orientation are called bigots. I'm fine with calling LDS that.
The religion's teachings expressly prohibit discrimination on any basis. Seems to me the only bigot here is you.
They very clearly say they disallow gay people from taking full part in the church. But ok, keep defending Mormons bigot.
No, no, no, no, no. I moved to Utah five years ago and this is absolutely not the case and I'm not even LGBTQ. A couple of vignettes:
Exhibit B: I had a workplace procure a costume for me. They didn't like my lack of Mormon Jesus. This was a prominent finance firm in SLC.
Christianity is all about being tolerant actually. Its just that most Christians dont care
Yea this may be the case for some mormons, maybe, but they as a whole are not very tolerant at all. We had a mormon in our school who was very vocal about his dislike about a couple where one was trans. He pretended to be a nice guy, but his views were gross when they came bubbling to the surface.
I dont buy that mormons are a tolerant group for a second.
I too watched that Half as Interesting/Wendover productions video, that's not what it said. In fact he explicitly said that's not what he's saying.
To be fair I watched it at a taco bell on my lunch break
Lol, fair
Lmao, good one. 🤣 The Mormons contributed over three-quarters of the funding to get Prop 8 passed in California.
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2008/10/the-mormon-money-behind-proposition-8/209748/
There is a reason why I don't mention that I am an atheist when I travel to Utah.
Mormons tend to be nice ... to your face. As soon as you leave they're likely to act like you'd expect followers of an extremely socially conservative, regressive, patriarchal religion would.
And I'm not saying all Mormons are like that -- there are good people that are mormons, but it's in spite of what the church teaches about gender, sexuality, and sin.
Nothing about the religion's teachings about gender, sexuality, and sin support mistreatment of people who believe or act differently. The broad strokes your applying to the entire religion is exactly the same as saying that all Muslims are violent terrorists just because of the actions of an extremist few.
In short, it's bigotry.
Huh. I thought it was because I'm familiar with LDS teachings, culture, and the church's extensive, sordid, and recent history of sexism, abuse, and bigotry.
Which is extensively documented by people that have left the faith.
You linked exmormon.org? That's one of the most vitriolic and biased websites dedicated to spreading hate about members of the Church. It's clear you're strongly prejudiced, so there's no point in me trying to convince you to look beyond your own animosity.
Good day.
You got gaslit
Utah teen lgbtqia+ suicide rate is very high. I've got a friend who is a therapist out there and i do not envy them. The Mormon church tries to say that they love and accept everyone but if you push them they will clarify they can love someone but they hate the sin. Ask yourself, how can you love someone when you can't accept a fundamental part of them? If you practice your gayness/etc you will be treated differently by Mormon church standards. You will lose out on church privileges and be ostracized.
We watched the same video probably.
Yeah that's it lol.