Hell, if I get anything over 7 hours my lower back hates me for the first hour after I get up. My ideal right now, is about 6 hours, and I typically wake up naturally after about that. Unless I'm very tired.
You can get decent ones on Amazon for less than $500. I think I paid like 350 for my 12” deep one, I’ve rotated it every 3 months and it still feels like new a few years later
Same! I have chronic neck pain that I've been working to address for about 3 years. We have a new mattress and I've been through probably 5 sets of pillows in that timeframe to get the perfect set that doesn't leave me feeling shitty when I wake up. Nonetheless, I get about 6.5 hrs of sleep a night and wake naturally from that without feeling tired during the day. I slept for 8 hours last weekend and felt worse than I have in a long time - back, neck, and shoulder pain and felt more groggy and sluggish than I have in ages. I'm with you!