Federal judge blocks California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places
Federal judge blocks California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places
A federal judge has blocked a California law that banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the 2nd Amendment.
A federal judge on Wednesday temporarily blocked a California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and deprives people of their ability to defend themselves and their loved ones.
The law signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in September was set to take effect Jan. 1. It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.
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The US is so fucking dumb.
Let's make murdering someone as easy as pointing and clicking, can't be any consequences from that!
America was founded by guns and it is chock full of them. There is no way to put that genie back in the bottle.
There literally is, it's called a constitutional amendment and they've been enacted many times before.
Of course, there's not the political will for it, because, like I said, The US is so fucking dumb.
"Hey guys, they passed a constitutional amendment. We better turn all our guns in."
-Like 4 Americans
Guns wouldn’t disappear overnight ofc. But make owning guns illegal, arrest people who own them and create buyback programs. It might take some time. It might be super fast.
But you know what for sure wouldn’t solve anything? Doing nothing.
Australia did it and it worked pretty well for them. You just make gun ownership illegal, ask for them back in a reasonable timeframe, and then tell the cops to stop murdering unarmed black people for a minute to go chase down the rest of the guns that weren’t turned in at the end of the process. Then when youre done, you disincentivize bad actors by ramping up the penalties for gun possession significantly, and actually enforce those laws.
It’s not hard, just needs to be done.
Like I said:
The US is so fucking dumb
If people want to be felons that's their choice, but it's absurd to suggest any armed resistance would occur, or matter, in such an instance
As the previous person said there is no way to get it done. Yes there is something called a constitutional amendment, but if there is no realistic way to get it passed then effectively there is no way to get it done.
As the previous person said there is no way to get it done
The "we've tried nothing and were all out of isdeas" approach...
I mean, I think California just tried something. New York, D.C., New Jersey, Illinois/Chicago, and some other places too.
Yes, because the US is so fucking dumb.
But you can’t change the constitution!!!
I think guns and abortion are great distractions because both sides will never stop fighting for them.
Meanwhile, we're all getting fucked as the disparity in wealth continues to grow.
People can care about more than one issue.
If the republicans dropped abortion 100% or the democrats dropped guns 100% either could win nationally in a landslide.
So you're saying if Democrats just ignore mass shooting problems after god knows how many dead schoolchildren, it's worth it for the win?
No one said ignore mass shootings.
Just gun control in areas it's unpopular.
There are other methods of attacking the problem than gun control. They won't be as effective, but they will be more tolerated by the average American voter.
Take the Florida governorship. DeSantis won out by the skin of his teeth the first go around.
The reason Andrew Gilliam lost was he kept going on about bringing an assault weapons ban to Florida. Such a ban would have never made it though the legislature, so it was an empty promise on top of an unpopular one.
So he shot himself in the foot for no gain and we have been stuck with pudding fingers ever since
Democrats need to understand to pick their battles and read the room.
What exactly do you think Democrats want when it comes to guns? I hope you're not buying the "they're coming to take our guns" rhetoric from Republicans. Because I've been told that my entire life and I'm 46, so I'm thinking that isn't part of their plan.
From my example it's clear the average Florida voter doesn't want an assault weapons ban, that's for sure.
That's not clear at all. In fact, it's blatantly false.
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2022/10/04/more-floridians-support-ban-on-assault-weapons
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/majority-florida-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban/
It might be better to check and see if you're correct before making such pronouncements.
No, but if they stopped actively encouraging them to generate political capital and focused on things that would actually prevent them rather than scapegoating legal and constitutionally protected gun ownership it would not turn away a massive amount of otherwise swing voters.
and focused on things that would actually prevent them
You mean like universal healthcare? Because I'm pretty sure they are focused on that. They also just want to do the absolutely horrible anti-American anti-freedom measure of keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people so there might be a handful fewer dead children.
But I suppose keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people is just scapegoating. After all, when has a psycho ever done anything dangerous?
So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?
Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics? They are wildly different issues so actual meaningful solutions aren't one size fits all (but with a surprising overlap).
So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?
Please demonstrate that every single proposal does that.
Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics?
Sorry, are you saying that because mass shootings are not daily then they aren't a problem?
But will they discuss more than one issue at a time? It's still completely valid to point out how asinine and unnecessary some conversations are. Eating up room is a valid deflection strategy, after all.
I don't think it is productive to talk about gun regulation and abortion in the same conversation.
I'm not saying you should mix convos... I'm saying stop dragging out the stupid ones. The other poster is fully correct when they say some conversations are beyond meaningless and are absolutely used to distract people from bigger issues.
It's only a stupid argument if you don't care about children being shot up in schools. Me, I care about that.
Nice gaslighting. Where did I ever say I disagree that it's a problem? Are you seriously going to get so upset that you're going to miss the utterly obvious point of, "don't take the topic change bait"? It's literally the main way people deploy what-about-ism...
I'm pretty sure the attempt at changing the topic was the person who wrote:
I think guns and abortion are great distractions because both sides will never stop fighting for them.
Meanwhile, we’re all getting fucked as the disparity in wealth continues to grow.
Since that is not the topic of conversation in this thread. Hence my replying to them.
Sure there is. It's easy.
Just start giving black people guns.
The so-called second amendment absolutists will be calling for draconian gun control measures within a week.
I'm pro gun and I want most black people to own guns.
We already do that. They're perfectly welcome to defend themselves and even more so given our police.
They aren't.
And aside from that, that's not the point. The point is that, historically, when black people start arming themselves even the NRA starts calling for gun control.
Yes, that's because gun control is racist and classist.
Not wanting schools shot up is racist and classiest apparently.
No that's because the NRA is racist. (And a lot of gun owners, aka the Republican ones, are racist.)
Gun control ends up being racist and classist because that's the gun control that gets bipartisan support.
I'm 2nd amendment agnostic but I do recognize the fact that policing is different when the population is armed and policing has often been antagonistic to the black community.
"Arm the homeless"
Here's a solution:
Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.
Here's a solution:
Ban straw sales/gun show loopholes, improve auditing/background checks, do gun buybacks above rate, and ban AR sales after X date. Bought before the date, you're grandfathered in but can't sell/gift the weapon.
Its dumb to put all your women in a position where they are vulnerable to sexual assault. But any country without guns does just that.
Please do go ahead and post your sources.
Yeah, you have none, because you don't care about women, you care about you personally being able to own a gun so you can get a half chub sometimes.
Do you really want to have said this? Seriously. I suggest you think it over. Read it out loud.
Then delete it.
Very well. Let's see your evidence that rape goes down when gun ownership goes up.
Also I kinda wonder if the purpose of guns is to stop rape why does the constitution talk about a well-regulated militia? Those 3 words are not there by accident. Unless of course you are retorconning a justification because you can't deal with this being a frontier society temporary provision over 2 centuries ago. Hey go ahead and prove me wrong. Show me the federalist papers that goes into how the 2A was to stop rape. Tell us all how women in the late 17th century were using concealed muskets.
Every time I read this type of backwards logic I wonder why no one has considered making guns only legal for people who have a higher chance of being raped. Kid is living with stepfather? Give him a Glock. Oh she is between 16 years old and 40? Give her an assault rifle. Trans woman? Maybe some grenades. Male 18-80? Nah you are fine.
I dont really give a damn what the founding fathers intended. I give a damn about arming the general population.
Fine forget about intent. What does the text say? Because the text says that it is for a well-regulated militia. You are not part of a militia so you don't get a gun. If you want to cosplay as a soldier go enlist in the guard.
A militia can be 1 person.
Fine. Who is your commanding officer? Please show me your uniform because by international law you are a terrorist without it