Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College
Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College
65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.
cross-posted from: https://kbin.social/m/news@lemmy.world/t/488620
65% of U.S. adults say the way the president is elected should be changed so that the winner of the popular vote nationwide wins the presidency.
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So leaving our elections up to L.A. and NYC. All Democrats from now on. Hard pass. The founding fathers got it right.
Edit, I love seeing the downvotes. Brings me back to my reddit days
All Republicans have to do is propose policies that actually appeal to the masses and they too can win democratically rather than through gerrymandering and electoral shenanigans
That's not fair though!
All Republicans have to do is fake a leaky pipe and rescan ballets while the watchers are gone. Fixed it for you.
Lmao, you are even more pathetic than your cheeto-in-command, even he understood he lost the elections fair and square and put up a shenanigan to cover for his failure.
You still believe his lies though and this makes you even stupider than Donald Trump.
Kudos to your lack of intelligence for making you survive this far
Nice to see another Demonrat shill that can't say anything without insults. Typical lefty nutjob. Do me a favor and go get 5 more vax's so you can wheeze your insults while having a heart attack.
I absolutely will should the need arise because, guess what? I believe in science and medical professionals unlike you uncultured swine.
Oh, also, the vax you are so adamant you'll not take was developed and distributed under your cheeto-in-command administration.
"It's a good vaccine, the best we've ever got" were his words if I do recall correctly. Operation warp speed was the name of the development and distribution plan if my memory doesn't fail me.
How do you feel about that, you poor redneck? Hurts that your idol has betrayed your cause? Of course not, you aren't able to feel or think like a human since you're just a step above a monkey but hey, we did already know that even before you answered my comment.
Cheerio
You are a sad, sad person. Your misguided labeling me as a redneck and thinking I'm not aware of Trump's stance on the vax. He is wrong. I can admit it and not lose sleep. Because unlike you and your pathetic ilk I don't have to worship him or agree with everything he says to still think he's a much better choice than the pedophile in chief that is in the white house. And please don't lower my already abysmal opinion of you by saying his daughter's diary is fake. Enjoy your myocarditis.
Lmao, like I care what a waste of oxygen like you think about me. Ever seen the videos of Jeffery Epstein and Trump together at a party dancing and having a jolly good time? Well, I guess that they also must have grabbed so many pussies together too, and on the young side, if you get what I mean. And Ivanka? Oh dear, she wasn't Jeffery's daughter, do you think Trump did watch while he did what Epstein was used to to his daughter? I reckon he did, Trump has always has a crush for his daughter. Who also married a Jew who controlled Trump during his presidency, so much so that both the Zionists and the Saudis are still very happy with him to this day! 2 billions times happy to be precise!! The weakest president in history when it comes to racist and totalitarian regimes, ask Putin or Xi about that!!
But you won't do shit about all of this, because even if you could understand how much Trump has fucked with your head and your sense of reality you would still vote for him 'cause you know he would give you the chance to be the worst version of yourself possible and God forbid you might become a decent human being, it's much easier to remain a husk of a person rather than trying to improve yourself. For the first one you don't have to do nothing, just existing and enjoying being in an animal-like state is more than enough, while for the second you need to accept that you are not perfect, work each and every day of your life to better yourself as a human by learning something or by changing an aspect of you which is not a good one.
I'll enjoy my myocarditis as much as I enjoy Santa on December the 25th, I'll watch children like you believe this fantasy while patting your head and telling you "sure darling, now go play with your glue but don't eat it, it's not good for you". And maybe you are like a child, do you still believe a bearded man in the sky is watching everything you do while being an absolute asshole with his judgment? Please tell me you think Jesus is your saviour and that Mary was a virgin after childbearing, this would complete the picture of the moron you already are XD XD XD XD
You are literally, the worst troll ever. You rant like a 13 year old that just discovered the internet. Really go touch grass, get a girlfriend and stop chugging CNN.
Oh yeah baby, give it to me, more gaslighting please and don't even try to reply to any of my points, the cognitive dissonance would be too hard on your weak brain filled to the brim with bigoted Christian propaganda.watch out for what's to vone, after his fake business now your idol will have to face his fake electors scheme judgment! Can't wait to see how that will turn out ;)
So some Americans are more important than others?
So leaving our elections up to L.A. and NYC.
Combined those might round up to 4% of the population of the United States. Explain again how they'll control the outcome of a popular election?
Implicit in your argument is the self-evidently fair notion that the country should not be controlled by a minority ... except that is precisely what the Electoral College allows and what the popular vote makes impossible. Under the EC, the president is effectively decided only by voters in a dozen or so swing states (which exact states are in play varies by year but the number is pretty consistent). Candidates literally don't even campaign for votes in the other ~38 states, just sometimes making brief fundraising stops.
The founding fathers cobbled together a stop-gap system that placated the oh-so-varied interests of different groups of privileged white men. It wasn't fair then and it has no moral justification in the present day. It's an affront to the basic principles of self-government now that we've expanded "self" to finally mean all Americans.
Why should your vote be worth more than someone else's?
So then you agree that it is a terrible idea for our votes to be weighted based on where people live, so that we can avoid things like individual cities swaying the vote?
I think so too. Everybody's vote should be equal, which is why we should have a popular vote instead of the electoral collage.
So Republican policy represents the population so badly that they'd never win another election if the country switched to a more democratic system?
Land shouldn’t get a vote, much less land controlled by ineffectual leaders.
Should senators not be elected by the popular vote of each state? Should states develop their own state electoral colleges that give votes based on the proportional population of each county?
The population of Los Angeles is about 4M. NYC is 19M. 23M combined. US is 340M. Those two cities account for 6.8% of the US population. One person, one vote seems like the fairest approach to a democracy.
Let's explore limits. Given 50 states, two of which have population of 165,999,976 people each, and rest 48 states have population of 1, such country with Electoral College will be dictatorship of 26 people.
100% correct. The system isnt perfect, but the way it is for a reason. Anybody that wants it popular is just voting for a system that's easier to overthrow.
How is it any easier to overthrow a popular vote?
It's incredibly easy to overthrow a popular vote. How many dead people have been found voting for people? How many ballots in trunks of peoples cars last couple years? Take them out, put them in, not like federal oversight works, that was proven in PA during Trump/Biden. Having the electoral college is a layer of insulation for both that, and populous states and cities controlling everything while completely taking a voice from the rest of the country. Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it's hardly a bitching point.
How many dead people have been found voting for people? How many ballots in trunks of peoples cars last couple years?
These are election security issues, none of which are unique to a popular vote. They can happen and have happened under our electoral collage. So this is a moot point.
and populous states and cities controlling everything while completely taking a voice from the rest of the country
That's not how it works. All votes are counted equal regardless of who they are or where they are from under a popular vote. Neither cities or land votes, only people do and the system should reflect that.
The rest of the country would actually get a say under a popular vote unlike with the electoral college. Most people don't live in a city in a swing state, which is the only place politicians cater to.
Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it’s hardly a bitching point.
That's not the point though. The point is that all votes should be counted equally.
And if you live in a state that is solidly blue/red then your vote is essentially meaningless. Nobody should get a bigger voice from living in a swing state, it should be everyone's voice.
Given that the popular has only been overridden twice in two decades, it’s hardly a bitching point.
Well yeah, if you frame an argument badly of course it sounds stupid. But to properly frame the point, 2/5 elections were won while losing the popular vote, and 3/5 presidential terms would not have happened if we voted democratically (Bush won the popular vote based on being the incumbent and war fervor, which he only had because of his fraudulent win).
60% of all presidential terms since 2000 we're not won democraticly, but that's not a problem for the people who can only win that way.
. How many dead people have been found voting for people? How many ballots in trunks of peoples cars last couple years?
Tell us, how many have been found? I'm legitimately curious if you have a real source or if this is just a bunch of Mike Pillow level claims.