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  • Sounds like your entire argument is based on nothing but semantic and personal opinion as to what true communism is.

    Would you like me to cite marx...? These are not my opinions. These are the opinions of marxist scholars... who... defined marxism and communism in the first place?

    these aren't arguments they're statements of fact about what communists believe...

    also of course they're semantic, all conversations about the meaning of words are semantic??

    "semantic /sĭ-măn′tĭk/

    adjective

    Of or relating to meaning, especially meaning in language."

    Good luck trying to change society if you claim ‘But that’s not real communism!’ every each time

    What? No, the claim is that they're trying to build it, never that they just magically will achieve it. This argument doesn't make sense unless you don't even understand the claim being made.

    Communism is quite clearly defined as a stateless, currencyless society without class division... we aren't denying that without reason? We're denying it because it definitionally doesn't match it, and can't hope to... because of the natural progression of history.

    Please watch this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBRV3WK2x4

    Or learn about what "dialectical materialism" means so that you can actually understand what you're arguing against well enough to actually make an argument against it.

    • Marx is not infallible. Surely you disagree with Marx on what he said about jews?

      I know the topic, and I've seen this argument so many times that it's generic. 'Oh, that wasn't communism because the bible says so.'

      • Marxes fallibility has nothing to do with anything, we were discussing what communists and MARXISTS believe... are you actually suggesting that what marx said is irrelevant when trying to understand communist thought??

        the argument is that it wasn't communism because marx clearly and over the course of many books defined the term countless times as "the end of history" and a stateless classless currencyless society in which the workers own the means of production... my argument is based on a reading of marxist literature... your argument is based on what exactly?

        how do you define communism?

        • Why did you report me? I have doubts about whether you're arguing in good faith.

          • Because I don't believe you're arguing in good faith, and i didn't realize you were a moderator.

            • So you were trying to silence me? What rules did I break?

              • I guess there's no rule against trolling so you're fine. But I thought you were trolling both me and the other guy talking to you. I genuinely believed this. There'd be no point reporting if I didn't.

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