4d ago

Those windmill blades are all pointing the same direction!

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When the environmentalism memer is being petty about the small issues instead of making the discussion about the big sectors of personal consumption like heating/power source, nutrition and mobility
And yes, AI in creative sectors bad
- Looool:)) Remind me, who produces most plastic in the world? Or most CO2? Or dumps largest amount of heat in the air?
  Surely, some random John Does of some nation, right?
  
  Surely, some random John Does of some nation, right?
  im not sure what youre implying with the last part, ill ignore it as long as its unclear
  Remind me, who produces most plastic in the world? Or most CO2? Or dumps largest amount of heat in the air?
  What a peer reviewed study across 168 countries named "Keeping the global consumption within the planetary boundaries by Peipei Tian et al. Nature magazine." found was commented in an article about it:
  The richest 1% of the world’s population produces 50 times more greenhouse gasses than the 4 billion people in the bottom 50%. BUT if the world’s top 20% of consumers shifted their consumption habits, they could reduce their environmental impact by 25 to 53%. (550€/month in Europe is richest 15.2%)
  (..)The study also shows that changing consumption patterns in just the food and services sectors could help bring critical planetary boundaries back within safe limits. And just last month, Hubacek co-authored a paper describing how the livestock sector is dangerously transgressing several of the planetary boundaries (..)
  Its a problem with more than one scapegoat. Of course big corporations create the goods, but theres also a demand by 8 billion people for example to just highlight one
  
  I am implying what is clear as day: discussion about pollution must be about big companies, not about whatever individual human beings emit.
  And the richest 1% should not be what it is today, but that is another thing completely - why do you suddenly bring it up?
  Demand by 8 billion people, you say. I walk out of my house and can't walk 50m without seeing some plastic garbage (literally: bags, packages etc.). Did those 8 billion people want it? Or need it? Or demand it?
- Also who's to say the person isn't running the AI model locally off of renewable energy?
  You don't have to use a centralized service, shit like ComfyUI exist
  
  Its the training of AI that uses lots of energy, once its trained actually running it uses essentially fuck all. I can generate an image for like 0.0005kWh, it would use significantly more power to create the image myself as the PC would need to be on for much longer.
  I don't mind AI generated images too much, depends a bit on context though. Background images to a low budget video which is mostly speech and just gives something to look at is something I have seen a few times and doesn't seem too bad. Probably won't be looking at them much anyway.
- Whataboutism? Are only certain topics allowed to be discussed? Are memes prohibited to strictly serious and important issues?
  
  Memeing like this more harmful than helpful for solving the problem due to big sectors very hard to change and therefore people like to shift to other sectors to ignore actual solution
  
  Yes you're right, people are not smart and will lose track of the greater picture if we distract them. Forgive me.
  
  .. /s
  what a coincidence that media in ie mobility is all about electric cars vs cars instead of the other actual solutions to then point at little kid with public transport written on demo sign with laughter as subtext
  
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  Their point being electric cars still burn fossil fuels at generation and other alternatives aren't discussed much at all in the MSM, however what a lot of foreigners don't seem to get is our public transportation is trash and bike lanes are mostly non-existant except in nicer cities.
  I live 15ish minutes from work, I own a hybrid vehicle that gets good mileage but I also own an ebike, if it were safe for me to bike to work, I'd do it. But I have no option aside from either entering a highway (which I don't believe is even legal for an ebike) or going over an extreme distance out of the way to have any kind of roads (which don't have sidewalks or bike lanes and have a MPH of 50 assigned) I can not safely do it.
  
  I'm not sure how we got here, but when discussing EVs this criticism always comes up, and forgive me if I'm making an incorrect assumption about you but it's almost always from someone living in a North American city. Your points are valid in the context of your own area, but the world is a lot bigger and there are so many regions that have developed to require cars that cannot be switched to primarily public transport. Public transport can link small towns to each other for example, but they cannot bring every single inhabitant to and from their own address, and not everyone is able to just get out and walk instead.
  The simple truth is that electric vehicles are better than vehicles that run on fossil fuels, and that is a valid and sensible opinion to have. Yes we should also have more public transport and walkable areas, but that is not a valid point against the introduction and distribution of EVs.
  
  Maybe you misunderstood, I was agreeing with you and was saying how it's not currently viable for me living in the suburbs in the US to use my electric bike to get to work, even though I don't live far.
  
  I sheath my sword in shame
  
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