Chinese Sixth Generation Fighters Poised to Cut Pentagon Demand For F-35s: Lockheed Martin Stock Drops After New Jets’ Unveiling
Chinese Sixth Generation Fighters Poised to Cut Pentagon Demand For F-35s: Lockheed Martin Stock Drops After New Jets’ Unveiling
Stock of the United States’ largest defence contractor Lockheed Martin was downgraded to Hold from Buy at Deutsche Bank by 14.5 percent, with a price target of $523
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Could you point to what issues your talking about? It's hard to converse when you're referring to vague vibes.
He just straight up doesn't know what he's talking about. The only thing you'll ever get out of him is west bad, China, Russia & North Korea good.
Can just as well name his post lockheed stock drops after kindergarten teacher drinks water and it would be equally accurate.
awww you're such a sour little muffin aren't you
Not at all. Just lowering the guys expectations of having a genuine conversation. Feel free to prove me wrong 😘
Already did by providing actual sources instead of clowning around the way you do.
Sources alluding to what exactly? That the F-35 had had problems? Every single jet platform has had problems.
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
Prototypes are nothing short of speculations and wishful thinking until it starts to hit production.
And I'm not even a fan of US jets. As a Swede I will admit my bias for our own platforms. But the F-35 does fill a role that our fighters doesn't. And it does fill that specific role quite well. It's not an all purpose aircraft.
taking pause to look around when new things are revealed, which is sensible. doesn't mean what you think it means.
I remember the hype about Chinas new submarines. Oh they were gonna be so good and so stealthy. Turns out they didn't make it far out of the Harbour before sinking.
So what was that you said about China producing things that "actually work"? Or maybe you excluded their sinking sub in that statement. I must have missed the asterisk
Hard to think of another modern jet built outside Yankeestan that has problems that come even close to those that F35 flying cybertruck is having.
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
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While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
The prototype China is making is for a jet a generation after F35, they already have an answer to F35 in production and it hasn't cost over a trillion dollars to make. In fact, Chinese military budget overall is only a fraction of what Yankeestan spends.
And it does fill that specific role quite well.
No it doesn't. As many experts have explained in great detail, F35 tries to do too many things and it doesn't do any of them well. It's incredibly expensive to maintain, it has constant breakdowns, and they can't even keep a sufficient number of them operational as a result.
I remember the hype about Chinas new submarines. Oh they were gonna be so good and so stealthy. Turns out they didn’t make it far out of the Harbour before sinking.
The fact that you'd latch onto a conspiracy theory really highlights the quality of your intellect.
So what was that you said about China producing things that “actually work”? Or maybe you excluded their sinking sub in that statement. I must have missed the asterisk
Nah, I'm just not dumb enough to fall for propaganda marketed to people who don't have fully developed brains.
Ah yes. Everything that is inconvenient for your arguments is a conspiracy. Must be very convenient.
The F35 does try to do a lot of things. You can argue effectiveness of many of them. But what it DOES do well, is performing as a stealth strike craft. Credit where credit is due. The ram technology development in the US is impressive and world leading.
You resort unprovoked to name calling ("yankeestan"), and attack others intellect. It really shows your insecurity the moment something doesn't go your way.
You speak of "generations" as if the jets are a console. "They're making a 6th gen aircraft". They claim they're making a 6:th gen aircraft. That claim won't be proven until they start producing. Until then it's nothing but speculation and fairy dust.
Buddy, you've not just fallen for propaganda, you've taken an express elevator right down the shaft and keep drilling once you arrive.
Nah, Just anything that is presented without a shred of evidence for the benefit of racist rubes such as yourself.
But what it DOES do well, is performing as a stealth strike craft.
Incredible claim to make given that it's never been used against a peer adversary with actual modern AD. The fact that you state this as a fact shows that you're utterly incapable of critical thought. Probably the reason you fall for conspiracy theories so readily.
It really shows your insecurity the moment something doesn’t go your way.
So much projection here.
You speak of “generations” as if the jets are a console. “They’re making a 6th gen aircraft”. They claim they’re making a 6:th gen aircraft. That claim won’t be proven until they start producing. Until then it’s nothing but speculation and fairy dust.
Maybe learn a bit about the subject you're attempting to debate and the common terminology used instead of making a clown of yourself in public.
Buddy, you’ve not just fallen for propaganda, you’ve taken an express elevator right down the shaft and keep drilling once you arrive.
You've perfectly described yourself there kiddo.
Ah yes. Now I'm a racist as well. What do you base that on exactly?
If you think they've never tested the stealth capabilities of the f35 you're delusional.
You got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, which is why you resort to personal attacks and throw in the occasional "no u" to derail the discussion into a match of name calling. You follow the same pattern every time.
Ah yes. Now I’m a racist as well. What do you base that on exactly?
I base that on your religious belief in western superiority.
If you think they’ve never tested the stealth capabilities of the f35 you’re delusional.
I know they've never tested capabilities of f35 because it's never been used in combat against a peer competitor. The fact that you don't understand this shows that you are in fact the one who got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, and are incapable of rational thought in general.
You got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, which is why you resort to personal attacks and throw in the occasional “no u” to derail the discussion into a match of name calling. You follow the same pattern every time.
I love how you keep making ad hominem attacks here to distract from your utter ignorance.
The only one referring to vague vibes here is you bud. The disaster that is F22 is very well documented
- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/magazine/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program.html
- https://www.twz.com/28659/air-force-admits-f-22-raptors-wont-hit-80-percent-mission-capable-target-on-time
- https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/air-forces-f-22-raptor-nightmare-explained-3-words-207364
On the other hand, China has consistently shown the ability to produce things that actually work.
Jfs has been a cluster, they wanted a VTOL jet that do everything, which physics doesn't like. But with 15 years extra development, they kinda did it.
80% readiness is higher than most jets, my sources are actually showing loser, but still in line with other military jets.
A-10 Thunderbolt II (67 percent) and the F-16C (69 percent), while significantly outperforming air superiority fighters like the F-15C (33 percent) and F-22 (52 percent). https://www.sandboxx.us/news/why-media-coverage-of-the-f-35-repeatedly-misses-the-mark/
And is your third source just saying that the biggest problem with the F22 is that they want more of them? That hardly seems like a criticism of the plane itself.
Jfs has been a cluster, they wanted a VTOL jet that do everything, which physics doesn’t like. But with 15 years extra development, they kinda did it.
In the same way the Cybertruck is kind of a truck.
80% readiness is higher than most jets, my sources are actually showing loser, but still in line with other military jets.
80% is not the readiness of F22, but a target they can't hit.
And is your third source just saying that the biggest problem with the F22 is that they want more of them? That hardly seems like a criticism of the plane itself.
It's a criticism of the abysmal production capability showing that these things are artisanally made.
Did you see the comparison to other jets?
Su57 is artisanally made, less than two dozen. ~200 is a short production run, they shut it down early because those 200 could defeat every other air force on the planet several times over. But tech has progressed since then, it's only a bit better than the J20. But like the U2, that's not it's fault.
If the US ever had use them to fight a peer competitor then these 200 would disappear very quickly. At that point the US would be unable to replace them because it lacks industrial capacity to do so.
It lacks the molds, fittings, and jigs to do so. They were destroyed after the production run shut down. Similar story to the F1 Saturn V engines, it'd be more work to recreate them than to make something better.
F35 was an attempt to make something better, and after over a trillion dollars being poured into the project over many years, it's an unmitigated disaster.
No, it was an attempt to make something stol and cheaper, and it succeeded after billions of extra dollars and an extra decade. NGAD is supposed to be the all around better replacement.
You can keep repeating that it succeeded till you're blue in the face, but the reality is that it's far from a successful platform. It's highly unreliable, and it needs a ton expensive of maintenance. It's the opposite of what you want in a weapon which is to be cheap, reliable, and easy to service. It's a toy.
Expensive maintenance compared to what? Have you looked at the operations rates? It looks like F35 costs about the same per hour as the F15EX.
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2023/2023_b_c.pdf