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Im no fan of US imperialism, but you all conveniently leave out the alternative to NATO aid in Ukraine right now.
Nope it's mentioned all the time: diplomacy, peace talks, and to make that even possible, establish legitimacy by abiding by your own agreements. The undermining of all of these things has been discussed at length. They don't really need to be rehashed in our spaces for the benefit of new people that don't ask questions, though.
Without NATO aid, Ukraine will just plainly be taken over by Purine Russia.
lol RF could take over UA any time they wanted to if they took the NATO approach of completely destroying civilian life and essential resources via bombing. Military "aid" to Ukraine just keeps Ukrainian soldiers getting killed en masse, which is characterized by Russia as their compromise version of Denazification.
As far as Im concerned, Putins expansion is really helping NATOs by giving them a justification to exist
NATO obviously requires no credible justification to exist. This doesn't matter.
- So, no peace talks during war time, got it.
  
  No fighting in the war room either
  
  So no peace talks during war time.
  
  Ah yes, 2014, that was when Ukraine invaded Russia, right?
  
  Answer the question, what happened in 2014?
  
  For it to justify Russia invading Ukraine, it must have been something like Ukraine infringing on Russia's sovereignty, right?
  
  You don't know? Yoruo speak with a lot of confidence on this conflict, surely you must know the details of it?
  
  Of course I do, I have family in Ukraine. I'd love to know how 2014 infringed on Russia's sovereignty, though, since that's the only way I could see it remotely justifying what Russia is doing today.
  
  Okay, then tell me what happened in 2014. You still haven't answered the question.
  
  "They started it" doesn't really work for diplomacy sadly.
  Also who broke the Minsk II treaty?
  
  I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading.
  You have a very funny idea about the realities of war. By your logic most could never end. Wars are resolved through diplomacy or full collapse and loss. Your sociopathic ideas about what is "reasonable" devalues the lives and well-being of Ukrainians living through war.
  This is liberal "moral victory" nonsense that no serious person believes.
  That's lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.
  Thank you for conceding my point and implicitly retracting the claim I replied to.
  
  When in the history of ever did a nation willingly withdraw from its enemy before even holding peace talks?
  Did the US withdraw from Mexico before they started hashing out Guadalupe Hidalgo?
  Did Germany withdraw from Russia before negotiating Brest-Litovsk?
  Even the 'we do not negotiate with terrorists' US negotiated with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan.
  It’s a deal, and withdrawal is one of the terms. You don’t do it before the deal has been made. That gives up all leverage.
  And Ukraine has already demanded they get absolutely everything, including Crimea. If you want a deal to be everything you want and nothing you don’t, you need an unconditional surrender, not peace talks. Good luck getting Ukrainian tanks into Moscow.

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