Swedish authorities track Chinese vessel to scene of Baltic cable breaks
Swedish authorities track Chinese vessel to scene of Baltic cable breaks
Prosecutors in Stockholm launch preliminary investigation into suspected sabotage, hours after Germany dubs cable failure part of a ‘hybrid operation’
Swedish authorities say they have detected a Chinese ship moving near two telecoms cables that failed within hours of each other on the Baltic Sea bed in recent days.
Prosecutors in Stockholm have launched a preliminary investigation into suspected sabotage, hours after Germany dubbed the cable failure part of a “hybrid operation”.
On Sunday morning at about 10am, Swedish authorities registered problems with a data cable under the Baltic Sea from the Öland island to Lithuania. At 4am on Monday, telecoms operators in Finland and Germany reported problems with another cable called C-Lion-1.
Both cables were damaged in the Swedish economic zone, prompting prosecutors in Stockholm to take the investigation lead.
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My point is there’s a social component to defederating that’s likely a bit bigger than just shutting out Russia/China enjoyers.
I have to disagree. It's not just this community's "West bad, Russia/China bad okay" hypocrisy and the fact that they convey their narrative and their narrative only (everything else gets immediately blocked, while they accuse others literally of 'double standards'). One of my main points is that they support Russia's war in Ukraine, which is a genocide. It's the only community that openly supports an attempted genocide.
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That's a response to an argument I was not making. I share your non-enthusiasm about .ml.
I was talking about the social cost of locking out the creators of Lemmy. It's reasonable to argue that that social cost is worth bearing. But it's imo unreasonable to pretend it doesn't exist.
However, I would caution that .ml is the standard instance that many people start out at, because that's the site promoted from Lemmy's GitHub and from join-lemmy:org. There are reasonable people caught among the unreasonable ones.
I'd object to [.ml] being the "only community that supports an attempted genocide" [emphasis mine], for two reasons:
- The Grad and Bear instances also exist and are more consistently pro-Russian. They are already defederated from e.g. feddit.org, precisely because there is no social cost associated with defederating them.
- I find it hard to accept this stance of absolute moral superiority. What the Russian government inflicts on Ukraine is atrocious but not entirely unparalleled.
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What the Russian government inflicts on Ukraine is atrocious but not entirely unparalleled.
What does that mean? The aggressor here is Russia, they started the war unprovoked. What exactly is 'unparalleled'?
I was talking about genocide and offensive wars in general, not the context of this particular war.
So what does that mean? If .lm communities openly support Russia's war in Ukraine, is it a 'stance of absolute moral superiority' to condemn this because the same happens elsewhere? (It should be a matter of course, but just to mention it: We must condemn genocide everywhere, no matter where it happens.)
I am admittedly having a hard time putting my contention with this into words in a way that makes sense. I may have chosen the wrong hill to die on. In which case, sorry for that "absolute moral stance". I do think the remainder of that comment holds up, though.
So it's the only community that is openly supporting genocide, right? That's obvious I guess.
Absolutely not. I mentioned the Bear and Grad servers before. I am pretty sure you'll find niches supporting the Gaza war or supporting other genocidal conflicts.
Since .ml is the server advertized to people via join-lemmy:org, it also attracts a more diverse crowd, so not every user there is a tankie.
No, not every user is a tankie there. I perfectly agree with that. Many users are unaware when they join the server.
But those who are responsible there are the same or at least have the same mindset like the Bear and Grad servers.