Data Is Beautiful @lemmy.ml uberstar @lemmy.ml 5 days ago

People overestimate the percentage of immigrants in their country

translation: There are people conjuring thoughts like "I've seen one too many brown people".

Also unsurprising where the sentiment is coming from:

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Children of immigrants are perceived as immigrants as well which do not count into the data. Germany has 40-50% "foreigners".
- You’d need an awful lot of people to bump that 19% up to “40-50%” and I’m fairly sure that if I went to Germany right now, and we’re on perception alone so it’s gunna be pretty racist, I wouldn’t see one person of colour for every white person.
  
  I live in an international city and it’s still mostly white people here despite seeing many definite immigrants all the time. They just stand out against what I was conditioned to believe is “normal” but that’s it.
  
  It would actually depend on where in Germany you are going, but since the first Turkish "Gastarbeiter" (among others, quite some nationalities) came to West Germany over 60 years ago, it is not uncommon to meet people of Turkish descent there. (East Germany not so much, they had Vietnamese workers but mostly deported them back to Vietnam after the re-unification.) Combine these Gastarbeiter (and the three generations after them) with a declining native birth rate and an influx of asylum seekers, and it could well be 40-50% all together.
  
  The big question is what the problem is here, and the answer is that the far right wants it to be a problem so they can come to power. So they'll bloody make it a problem and try and sabotage any solutions. These last lines are my personal opnion obviously.
  
  Third generation citizens are not immigrants. They are native citizens.
  
  I know, since I replied to this:
  
  I think they’re saying that children who are born in the new country should be counted as foreigners. Which is kinda fucked up but yea
- A better question then would be "what percentage of people doesn't conform to your ethnonationalist idea of local".
  
  100%
- What this guy basically said is "but it doesn't count the children of immigrants in the country"
- Did you find something specifically that stated that children weren’t included in the data? I did not find anything like that in the sources.
  
  The link to the source from “Our world in data” mentions how children are included in their research, and they have a link to the UN migration spreadsheet that includes children of all ages: https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/content/international-migrant-stock.
  
  I think they’re saying that children who are born in the new country should be counted as foreigners. Which is kinda fucked up but yea I don’t think they’re saying that children moving to a new country aren’t counted.
  
  No, they are saying people will see and count them as immigrants
  
  Children of immigrants are perceived as immigrants as well
  
  Yea I should have worded that a lot better.
  
  Thanks for clarifying, I misunderstood what they meant.

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