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this is a nonsequitur.
you made it first. You said that ethnicity isn't genetics. Which is true, because ethnicity != genetics. In order for your statement to be properly true it would have to something more like ethnic heritage = genetics, because heritage is genetics.
it's also culture. my family has been here longer than the USA. we predate the revolution by generations. I'm Pennsylvanian.
so you're part native american then?
there is family lore that I have a Dakota great grandma but obviously she would have had to move east and that's only 20th century anyway
regardless, though, I am pennsylvanian
yeah, anyway, while you are technically pennsylavnian, that's not ethnic, that's a demonym, ethnically you would be american/native american, and whatever flavors you have kicking around in your lineage going into the past.
Sometimes they're vaguely related, but they're still distinct concepts and not directly intertwined. It's analogous to the concept of state and country pride, you might be proud of your state, and also your country, in different though familiar respects.
I'm ethnically pennsylvanian, and you can't define my ethnicity out of existence.
i'm not defining it out of existence, you're the one defining it into existence, i don't think there is such thing as an ethnic Pennsylvanian.
I'm not even sure the state has been around long enough that you could even start to approach that term. This is why it's a demonym.
Ethnicity is generally related to long running family heritage. Which also means that it's generally some form of mixed, Caucasian being the most generous group category of all of them, ironically.
Speaking of ethnicity, the origin behind the term Caucasian, is literally that humanity started in the Caucasus mountains. Which is definitely bullshit, now technically Caucasian is referring to race, but it's used to refer to ethnicity these days, since race is kind of, bullshit anyway.
i mean your family might originate from what is now Pennsylvania, but that doesn't make them Pennsylvanian, that would make them natives of a specific descent, most of which is likely gone from your modern lineage, unless you kept it all within the group somehow. American expansion was one hell of a history lesson.
I am ethnically a pennsylvanian as you (and I, and every other source I've found) have defined ethnicity. I don't understand why you don't want my ethnicity to exist but kindly refrain from trying to deny it out loud like a fucking bigot.
yeah but it doesn't really make any sense though. Prior to Pennsylvania being Pennsylvania, it was literally Swedish. (well, and whatever other colony existed in that part at the time, the swedes are just one example)
By this argument, i'm [insert generic Midwestern state here] but that doesn't change the fact that i'm a mix of European, Germanic, and some other general flavor of mostly European lineage.
The states existence has no influence on my ethnic roots, just like how modern state lines in current day america don't like up with the original colonies. You could argue it's a part of your identity, and that's why it's a demonym. Unless you're stupid and don't realize i'm talking about the Pennsylvanian state in America, in which case i question how long you've been on the internet.
Ethnicity is a much broader term than demonym, you're talking about something on the scale of demonyms, a 4 story office building, i'm talking about ethnicity, something on the scale of the empire state building. These are simply two different things.
Also to be clear, i'm not denying your ethnicity, i'm arguing that you're using the term ethnicity wrong, because that's not ethnically relevant, it's a demonym, if you were to say your demonym was Pennsylvanian, i would agree with you. It doesn't take more than a few seconds of googling to realize you're just trolling.
Your statement is almost as bad as me arguing that i'm not ethnically white, because i have a 10% Hispanic ethnic basis. Which i'm sure both you and me, would agree, is fucking stupid.
in fact doing some cursory list looking here, wikipedia suggests that "Pennsylvania dutch" is a thing, but that's not what you're saying, and it has roots in Germanic, as well as seemingly the Amish? Though it's also protestant. And seeing as you're saying you have native heritage in your blood, i'm guessing you're probably not Amish.
i’m talking about the Pennsylvanian state in America,
i'm not. i'm pennsylvanian in that there is a particular culture and shared identity that i would continue to use to identify even in the absence of the state. it's an ethnicity whether you like it or not. you can't gatekeep the existence of ethnicities, and you can't gatekeep an ethnicity that you aren't even part of.